I was bored of working and joined the server for some shenanigans. While playing, I began to notice people getting kicked for increasingly sillier reasons, someone by the name of 'Lilith' seemingly trying their best to pry for any reason at all to kick or assert their authority over anyone. First it was anyone who more than one person claimed was AFK or leeching, next it was not using a weapon, next it was not wearing a sufficient amount of armor... they were quickly joined by another admin, who doubled the efforts of banning/booting people. While I agree most of these reasons are grounds for punishment or warnings; I was watching the chat log of the kicks/bans, while standing behind this Lilith admin, who was wearing absolutely no armor and using a polearm to bumrush 3 shielders.
Nearing the end of a round of which I had died rather quickly in, I was spectating an archer fool around on a rooftop. He was on an easily accessible roof(required no ladder) and was shooting at someone at least once every 4 seconds, being shot at much more frequently. It was to my surprise that when the lone archer was the last left on his team, an admin with the 'Merc_'(maybe 3 letters?) tag ordered, "get down." 5 seconds later, archer guy got kicked.
From the rampant lack of humor which the admin staff openly boast, to the general buzzkill all the powertripping provides, I just wanted to bring up these issues here: Sorry if anyone else has before me - it did seem the general feeling of the players who were on at the time were relative to my own, but seriously dudes, chillax. It's a game. The server's just as full at night when few to no admin are around and runs just as smoothly(if not better) without the rampant dbaggery. And if the admins on that server are also admins here, I just hope they have the courtesy to leave this complaint open or reply to it, cRPG is fun but my friends and I don't feel like playing it if thats the sort of environment we're guaranteed.
I just hope whoever owns the server realizes that the admin staff is F'd up. I doubt it's going to stop the server from being packed or anything, because it's the best option most times of the day.. so the sad part is really that the admin can troll and powertrip on as many people as they want because it probably won't have a dramatic effect on overall server health.
oh yeah, and of course I'm only talking about the 4 admins I saw doing stuff, if there's more I'm not judging them at all.
I remember my friend got a three day ban for horse bumping in the spawn. Horse bumping which does no damage to friendlies in the spawn seeing as the horse is moving at so little speed.
I also remember when Lillith said "next person to tk will be treated as an intentional tker"
Lillith then tk'd a low and behold, stayed in the server
I asked, rather reasonably "Isn't that admin abuse"
Reply "Yes it is"
So straight from the horses mouth...
Can we have a review of EU1 admins please?
Feel free to give an url to a post that shows that Ive abused.
But meh, about 80, 90 % of this community are kids, drunk people, drunk kids, no lifers with low intelligence/ mental age and other scum, so I d say welcome, you fit in perfectly.
The vast majority.............4 admins you know since you have started playing last week..............Dude, there are about 20 EU admins.
If you want to play Djihad you need to do your homework kiddo.
But meh, about 80, 90 % of this community are kids, drunk people, drunk kids, no lifers with low intelligence/ mental age and other scum, so I d say welcome, you fit in perfectly.
More and more topics pop up about people complaining about admin abuse and while I can understand that not all of them are true not all of them can also be false. If there is so much complaining then something must have happened or have been wrong.
This kiddo thing is getting popular . cant you guys talk seriously for a sec and stop with the insults ?
if someone is wrong ,theres no need to act like and ass. you wont show that you're smarter by playing tough
but i guess "it takes one to know one"
- peace , one love -
He was on an easily accessible roof(required no ladder) and was shooting at someone at least once every 4 seconds, being shot at much more frequently. It was to my surprise that when the lone archer was the last left on his team, an admin with the 'Merc_'(maybe 3 letters?) tag ordered, "get down." 5 seconds later, archer guy got kicked.
So tell me people, what are you doing to upset them so it gets you kicked/banned? Because playing the game as it's meant to be played definitly not, nor does a trolling in game chat, unless you spice it with insults and other immature things.
Admins scare me. :oops:
Non-admins scare me. :oops:
I also check the forum every day and somehow i missed all those posts complaining about admins.
That's because:(click to show/hide)
Hope this helps.
New-admins scare me :oops:Oh, the new admins are just terrible.
Oh, the new admins are just terrible.
New-admins scare me :oops:
Oh every admin follows the path of admin hood:
1. Acquire power
2. Go power crazy
3. Abusemin
We've had lots of them... I mean I got kicked for example "leecher" while having 9 - 4 k/d ratio, (4 rounds in) and wearing light plate (20k area of armor) - for standing on a ladder. oh not at the end of the round or unreachable, just for standing on a ladder... and killing a admins player char (that was on the enemy team) once again. They mad!
New-admins scare me :oops:
Old admins scare me :oops:so you're scared of old...
Considering the admins here are doing the job for free, I think this shows the opposite of your claim.
Lol, ur cute when ur raging, it also triggers your fantasy :D
It's not a job if you play at the same time. :lol:
If you plan on enforcing rules then sit back, join spectators and do your damn job right. The way you do your "hard" job makes me volunteer too... to share the load you know.
I'm sorry, good sir, but I'm not mad and I dearly hope this is not 4chan, because your argumentation seems to be at that level. But you also prove my point, so thank you and have a fine day.
Thou vexed?
All I can say is that an admin who dislikes 80-90% of his community, probably has standards that don't work well with the community. Kind of awkward for an admin.
If you plan on enforcing rules then sit back, join spectators and do your damn job right.
I actually found out today that I joined before the last wave of admins, making me _not_ a new admin :D
I actually found out today that I joined before the last wave of admins, making me _not_ a new admin :D
cause 100% of you stupid cunts would be GONE.
If you plan on enforcing rules then sit back, join spectators and do your damn job right.
I'm not sure if you are kidding or not.
If you are not - how fucking spoiled are you? You really think that admins are supposed to just fly around and watch people? For real? They are not getting paid - they are given some extra priviledges because they are trusted members of the community. No one EVER thought about them as cRPG cops that do nothing else but look around for criminals. They are there so there is someone that can enforce stuff if people try to abuse the system, in whatever way. And as far as I am concerned, they are also free to just ignore being admin if they feel like it, because I can truly understand that it is a tiresome priviledge.
(Note: this is not about this topic, but in general, I have no idea what this thread is even about)
About admin abuse: no one is perfect, I have taken that into account. People can do wrong decisions, that happens, it is not good, but nothing that surprises me. It is a problem if it happens more frequently or more.. biased against someone in particular, but nothing like that has happened so far afaik.
To the point: if you feel like there is admin abuse, report it in the forum, as has been done, obviously. We will probably not check it out in detail, there is not enough time for that, but there might be consequences if something happens more than afew times.
In the future, there might be a more democratic approach - eventually the possibility to elect and unelect admins, because after all, they are supposed to represent the community.
Being on a place where no one can reach you is a bad thing.
although i never had any problems with you dear Michael sadly it's not what you do and claim others don't but how you behave and by the way you write here you clearly belong right with those 90% of people you were talking about earlier
just saying you are different really doesn't help nor do we care about it.
In the future, there might be a more democratic approach - eventually the possibility to elect and unelect admins, because after all, they are supposed to represent the community.
Actually, being in an unreachable place is allowed as long as you're not last man standing/delaying the round.
Actually, being in an unreachable place is allowed as long as you're not last man standing/delaying the round.
I remember my friend got a three day ban for horse bumping in the spawn. Horse bumping which does no damage to friendlies in the spawn seeing as the horse is moving at so little speed.
I also remember when Lillith said "next person to tk will be treated as an intentional tker"
Lillith then tk'd a low and behold, stayed in the server
I asked, rather reasonably "Isn't that admin abuse"
Reply "Yes it is"
So straight from the horses mouth...
Can we have a review of EU1 admins please?
Why I've never been kicked from the servers ? Why I never had a problem with the admins ?
Well, if you don't like EU_1 then go join EU_2.
Just like me ^^
Lilith tends to kick players for "delaying the round", while they are fighting. That shouldnt happen.
Admins get blamed when they don't switch from a shitty map, like the 2 castle maps, to something balanced.
To my embarrassment I remember raging at Random_Dude for not changing map (presumably because he was defending and getting a nice multiplier).
Then being gobsmacked by the idiocy of the moment when he tried to put it to a vote... Delaying tactics or really that dumb? ... Pfff I give up.
Point is that since everyone with at least half a brain seems to hate those maps unless they are defending: Why are they in the cycle?
(Sorry for not reading the thread and being offtopic)
edit:
Read the OP and didn't agree. Lilith is a treasure, we're lucky to have an admin that makes so much effort. No nonsense, diligent caretaker yes, but powertripper no.
When you realize admins think its fine to ban donators without a warning then its time to pack your shit and move on.
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You're right, I should check the donation list before I ban people just to check if they're donators. In fact, we'll need the exact info on who donated how much so that the more you donate, the more offences you may commit.
You're right, I should check the donation list before I ban people just to check if they're donators. In fact, we'll need the exact info on who donated how much so that the more you donate, the more offences you may commit.
If that was the case, i could do some serious harm on the server :pNoone is forcing you to read it.
On to the point, i think its about time this thread gets locked. People sharing their experiences about admins are fine and all, but i feel stupider (is that even a word? See what you have done with me!) after reading this thread.. :(
Fail IQ.
Every single player you ban for vague reasons might be a a donor, not to say their donations and support might have been even more generous then your own. Some of you admins act like you're the only ones responsible for keeping this mod up and running but even if that was true, and its not, such behaviour would be wrong.
Just wanted to make this last point clear. And try not to ruin this community and mod, its really fun and I enjoyed it while it lasted. Cheers
Fail IQ.
Yeah. Alex, get some brains you retard. That suggestion wouldn't work at all. It was a SILLY idea. If you admins can't come up with proper ideas, then why are you even admins?
Just to make my point clear: Alex is a retard.
Yeah. Alex, get some brains you retard. That suggestion wouldn't work at all. It was a SILLY idea. If you admins can't come up with proper ideas, then why are you even admins?
Just to make my point clear: Alex is a retard.
I dont really know if you are a guy(,) a girl or a dog, ...
Haha, you are funny. I ban you last.
by saying last, you are infering that at some point, you will stop banning, and we both know that isnt true
That "im cooler than you coz im admin and i can kick you, and now kneel in front of me" actitude doesnt fit very well with admin duties.
that's the part i agree with.
then again i'm pushing buttons all the time and mostly everyone is just getting a laugh out if it which makes me think a lot of the admins are not really into being brownnosed.
just make sure you don't hurt their feelings else you'll get banned on irc :(
next time start with your P.D. that will get people interested.
it's how the interwebs work :mrgreen:
I agree that a "im cooler than you coz im admin and i can kick you, and now kneel in front of me"-attitude is bad, I havent observed any such attitude amongst the admins tho.
yeah alright maybe the forum topic was a little inaccurate, i should have made it more clear: 'the vast majority of the eu_crpg admin team i've seen', though I thought my post made this apparent given my lack of peak-hour experience.
I was just mostly outlining the borderline sociopathic vibes we were getting from the admins we saw while we were there during peak hours. I have no problems with admin who do their jobs, or even do them actively. But the admins we saw were people who flexed their power in any way possible; not just used it, never missing an opportunity to assert their given server-permissions or a chance to openly boast about how cruel they are.
You can defend lies and say you didn't kick or ban people for BS reasons, frankly I don't care. What you can't deny however is that you(the accused admins) are blatant power-hungry egotists.
PS: BTW, we did actually see other admins and I can confirm this isn't the case for most EU_CRPG admins and I sincerely apologize for making this assumption, it's definitely just the ones we saw originally.
yeah alright maybe the forum topic was a little inaccurate, i should have made it more clear: 'the vast majority of the eu_crpg admin team i've seen', though I thought my post made this apparent given my lack of peak-hour experience.
I was just mostly outlining the borderline sociopathic vibes we were getting from the admins we saw while we were there during peak hours. I have no problems with admin who do their jobs, or even do them actively. But the admins we saw were people who flexed their power in any way possible; not just used it, never missing an opportunity to assert their given server-permissions or a chance to openly boast about how cruel they are.
You can defend lies and say you didn't kick or ban people for BS reasons, frankly I don't care. What you can't deny however is that you(the accused admins) are blatant power-hungry egotists.
PS: BTW, we did actually see other admins and I can confirm this isn't the case for most EU_CRPG admins and I sincerely apologize for making this assumption, it's definitely just the ones we saw originally.
2 day ban
also: NOM NOM NOM POWER NOM
I was just mostly outlining the borderline sociopathic vibes we were getting from the admins [...] never missing an opportunity to [...] openly boast about how cruel they are.
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No such thing as an unreachable roof that archers are shooting down from. If he can shoot you, you can shoot him. Little nonsense rules like that always cause grief and drama in a server, so I'm hardly surprised by this.
This is the screenshot i got:(click to show/hide)
Now i have no personal problem with you or anything but having other people breaking rules doesn't make your rule break any better you know?
The dudes on the roofs came down when they ran out of bolts and also it was kinda lame no one went into rage about it.
When that tk happened... well it's unnecessary but does absolutely nothing except giving you one death more on the scoreboard.
So telling people to get a real job or going on about their personal lives here but raging about that kind of thing is sad...
The ban is not permanent but for a day or something and might be a good thing to get you cool down a bit?
P.S.:
Can the vast majority of the EU_cRPG_1 admin team unban me on IRC please?
I didn't intend to piss you guys off it just seamed kinda silly to keep going about that ban thread when you obviously didn't care :mrgreen:
oh look, the children are complaining
By unreachable, we mean unreachable for everyone on opposite team.
No, I think everyone should always, all the time, be rachable for everyone.
So if an enemy archer, let's say Mustikki, is the last survivor on a roof, she is allowed to stay up there against 25 heavily armoured tincans and a peasant with stones? She is reachable for the peasant, so... she can so what she wants, as long as she doesn't shoot the peasant :wink:
Oh wow, let's grief each other and blame admins for it in the end.
I made a serious suggestion with a possible solution to the problem, and this is all I get? :?
Wookimonsta, as I never did anything bad to you, don't you think people deserve it to be taken seriously by default, if they did not do anything bad? Yes, I critisized you, but I hope you can still cope with it? :?
Im getting a little bit confused. I said he shouldnt be unreachable for _anyone_ at the opposite team. That means that little stonethrowing peasant is irrelevant, as there are 15 tincans who cant reach him. This also means 15 archers dont help as long as 1 tincan cant reach him/her (tho, Id wait out the situation there, as that one archer is soon dead anyway).
You disagree with this and states that he/she gotta be reachable for _everyone_. The only ones I didnt include is the campers teammates. Only way I can read you is that an infantery TEAMMATE of the camper is enough to force the camper down because he cant teamhit him? huh?
I hope we're just misunderstanding each other here.
By unreachable, we mean unreachable for everyone on opposite team. If they got 1 thrower and 3 non-ranged, they are unreachable for those 3.
EDIT: Oh and a protip, if you come on the unban section and go: "I AM TOTALLY INNOCENT ADMIN ABUSE!", i automatically add another day to your punishment. Admit you fucked up or ask to be unbanned ina friendly manner.
Admit you fucked up or ask to be unbanned ina friendly manner.
HERE IS AN EXPLANATION FOR ALL YOU MONGLERS!
You see, we have two options:
Option A) We act strict and ban everyone we think is doing bad things. This means we get the majority of people acting bad but also kick/ban people who weren't really doing anything bad.
Option B) We don't really do much and thus no one who is undeserving is banned, however people who are deserving are often also not banned.
We try to stay in between the two, but it isn't always easy. Sometimes we are stricter, sometimes we aren't. We don't always see the entire fight and some fights we don't see at all. We try our best to get rid of assholes on the server. But your definition of asshole isn't the same as ours, neither is it the same throughout the admin team.
You won't always find 100% fairness, but we are trying. Admins are also players, who have taken that extra responsibility to keep out the assholes.
And yes, sometimes we kick you when you don't think you deserve it, but we do. Deal with that shit and don't come whining.
And yes, sometimes we even change the map. I don't do it mid round, some people don't want it mid map, but deal with that shit. I sometimes change the map if I think teams are heavily imbalanced or the map is. It's not because I'm bored, its cause im doing my job.
If you are really that pissed about being moderated (cause thats what it is, even if you don't like it) then either stop coming to the attention of admins or play a different mod.
EDIT: Oh and a protip, if you come on the unban section and go: "I AM TOTALLY INNOCENT ADMIN ABUSE!", i automatically add another day to your punishment. Admit you fucked up or ask to be unbanned ina friendly manner.
this is not a democracy
No, it's just run by people who live in democratic societies, that counts for nothing.
yes
So like the government then, they'll take your money, they'll set some rules, they'll show themselves as hypcorites, people protest, then the leaders of the protest dissapear never to be seen again, government is always right, the individual is always wrong, protest over, yet individuals will still be paying taxes to the corrupt system, or in this case donations.
Just proves that the concept of democracy, how it's portrayed by the US and UK, is full of crap. Democracy is there to only server the elite few, or 'lucky' few, in this case, admins will always be more lenient on their friends and other admins alike, and harsher on those they don't like.
dude you even quoted the part that answers your question...
Reading through this entire post, I've noticed one sad fact. Admin, and non-admin alike, troll and feed the troll. Thus, Any one who posted should not be an admin. =/
Brainfart.sorry didn't get you there mate.
sorry didn't get you there mate.
can you repeat that please?
And no Wooki no one is saying you are a troll!
good, i mean, thats a nice little irc account you got there. It would be a shame if it had an accident.
directed at me it's funny :mrgreen:
lol?
Sorry, but that was neither funny nor smart. :rolleyes: I hope I just don't get the irony from your post.
I really don't have much problems with game admins, I don't think they're doing everything alright, but they're human and make mistakes like everyone else. No need to start a fight, really. But in one thing most admins here fail: Taking critique.
Seriously, why isn't there a single thread about admins where admins don't get bitchy? Of course, cRPG is full of people who are too good for this world, but admins should be able to take some critiques. Try to gather some feedback and use it to get "better" instead of defending your deeds and calling other people idiots.