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Title: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Argoth on August 21, 2011, 12:49:09 am
My good friends Memento Mori and Fuer Griss Ost Drauka have been wrongly banned.
If you are with us, do not play on the community servers, play on the official servers.
Boycott especially Donkleaps_KGB
Until they get unbanned DL will be playing on the official severs.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: rustyspoon on August 21, 2011, 01:04:07 am
Don't worry, I'll keep the servers warm for you while you're away.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Lt_Anders on August 21, 2011, 01:07:39 am
....really?
I can see the trolling already.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Malaclypse on August 21, 2011, 01:50:37 am
The reason given for banning Memento was "Teamkilling". I asked, "who did he teamkill?" and no response was ever given by Donkleaps, who I QML'd for leeching multiple times, but because he's an admin (I'm assuming that is why), it did not take.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Rangerbob on August 21, 2011, 09:02:58 am
Actually the reason for the ban was raging at the admin.  It was pretty bad and even mori will admit it was a pretty bad rage tirade with all sorts of personal insults and expletives and sexual references.  The other guy I can't comment on either way since I wasn't there and the logs to tell much but I did get to read everything Mori said and he deserved a ban.  Maybe not 3 days but yea he deserved a ban.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Lorn on August 21, 2011, 09:17:02 am
Actually the reason for the ban was raging at the admin.  It was pretty bad and even mori will admit it was a pretty bad rage tirade with all sorts of personal insults and expletives and sexual references.  The other guy I can't comment on either way since I wasn't there and the logs to tell much but I did get read everything Mori said and he deserved a ban.  Maybe not 3 days but yea he deserved a ban.

So what about this mute feature I hear got added?
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Rangerbob on August 21, 2011, 09:24:51 am
you can still talk to admins in ichat after you've been muted.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: a_bear_irl on August 21, 2011, 09:27:11 am
donkleaps might be retarded, i dont know for sure

anyway, a couple days after he started being the lead admin or whatever, goretooth tried to permaban me for no reason, he (donkleaps) undid it but when i'm like so uh hey if you hadn't been here i'd be permabanned right now you know, are you going to do something, he just goes "WHATS DONE IS DONE ITS IN THE PAST" or some shit like that and then threatened to ban me when i told him that wasn't acceptable
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Rangerbob on August 21, 2011, 09:33:31 am
Well goretooth is no longer an admin so I guess something happened. 

One thing I learned about Donk is just don't talk back to him in game.  Right or wrong that's just the type of person he is.  Take it to PMs the ban/unban forums or just the forums in general.  You can ask why you were banned/kicked/muted nicely in ichat and he's pretty responsive and polite to that, but most people who start getting agitated then start on this abooze or badmin tirade get banned pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Stylin_ATS on August 21, 2011, 11:03:25 am
Why you would suggest people boycott a server just because you were acting like an ass is beyond me...
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Argoth on August 21, 2011, 12:09:07 pm
Why you would suggest people boycott a server just because you were acting like an ass is beyond me...
Me? When was I acting like an ass? They got banned when I wasn't even on, you're mistaken.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Dez Nutz on August 21, 2011, 02:16:34 pm
My good friends Memento Mori and Fuer Griss Ost Drauka have been wrongly banned.
If you are with us, do not play on the community servers, play on the official servers.
Boycott especially Donkleaps_KGB
Until they get unbanned DL will be playing on the official severs.

sadly the  official servers are no better :?
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on August 21, 2011, 03:50:11 pm
Ban the aboosers.

Leave none alive.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Barbas on August 21, 2011, 04:44:41 pm
Community servers ban people who rage at admins?

Oh man, that sounds nice.  I can live without those types of players  :D
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Ganner on August 21, 2011, 05:09:44 pm
Id much rather boycott them cause they lag like crap... even with a sub 100 ping i get alot of random lag.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Turkhammer on August 21, 2011, 06:36:54 pm
My good friends Memento Mori and Fuer Griss Ost Drauka have been wrongly banned.
If you are with us, do not play on the community servers, play on the official servers.
Boycott especially Donkleaps_KGB
Until they get unbanned DL will be playing on the official severs.

This is the same Argoth that chased me all over the map, throwing javelins and taking swipes at me until you team wounded me.  I assume you think I team wounded you during a typical melee cluster.  I don't know if I did, but even if that happened that's no excuse to intentionally team wound in revenge.  I asked you about it in chat with no answer.  You should have been kicked for that crap.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Donkleaps on August 21, 2011, 07:19:33 pm
Hi Guys I was just told I was being called out here so I thought I would come take a gander.

I'll start by saying this. I took on this job at the request of Ecko last friday (8/19). Contrary to popular belief the Community servers are not "ATS" servers and this seems to be the most difficult part in getting people to understand. It is a group of servers ran on 100% donation with admins from just about every major organization in the game. Currently the whole project is put together and ran by 4 individuals so if something does not get immediately done it is because we are a little strapped for time.

Another thing to consider is that we are trying our best not to spam up the crpg page with Community server business as we are unofficial and it is rude and presumptuous in my mind to use this forum which chadz and crew have kindly given everyone to attempt to section it off. This is also something being worked on.

The idea is to make the servers playable and accessible to both crpg veterans and newcomers alike and in order to do that the first step is to rebuild the adminship infrastructure which is what we have been working on for the week. We have added a couple of admins and removed a couple of admins as well for trolling players and being general nuisances.

Currently the administration of the Community servers are working on a couple of projects to make communication easier and to update the Community ruleset in an easier to read format since the majority of players that play on those servers recently seem to not read the old list. One of these features we hope to get set up is a better notification system to let players know about events and what not that we will be hosting starting in the next month hopefully.

Now that being said as far as this whole public slander of Community servers goes. As a professional administrator and community organizer for several years there is absolutely no real reason for it. For whatever reason the main troublemakers in this instance have it in their minds that public outcry of being victimized by the big bad mean admins will somehow change a policy decision which will not happen.

As far as the personal attacks directed towards me that's fine. Everyone is allowed their opinions but I guarantee you check with those that have known me for any real amount of time or my actual professional references and you will hear nothing but good things about my fairness in both dealings with people and policy decisions.

I even went so far as to  ask around for the DL teamspeak so that I could speak directly to Mori since the forums were getting spammed/trolled pretty hard. After being on that server in a room with him and one other person for less than a minute it trying to once again explain what exactly was happening he just started yelling and cursing me out so I left. There is 0 requirement for myself or any admin not just in the Community sector but official as well to take verbal abuse in any scale.

So bite into the hype and spin that these guys are throwing around if you want but this is the only and last time I will make a defensive post on the crpg main boards.

Thanks folks,
Donk
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Adam_Bomb on August 21, 2011, 07:23:13 pm
DL not playing somewhere sounds like a reason to play there...
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Lt_Anders on August 21, 2011, 09:41:29 pm
Hi Guys I was just told I was being called out here so I thought I would come take a gander.

I even went so far as to  ask around for the DL teamspeak so that I could speak directly to Mori since the forums were getting spammed/trolled pretty hard. After being on that server in a room with him and one other person for less than a minute it trying to once again explain what exactly was happening he just started yelling and cursing me out so I left. There is 0 requirement for myself or any admin not just in the Community sector but official as well to take verbal abuse in any scale.

So bite into the hype and spin that these guys are throwing around if you want but this is the only and last time I will make a defensive post on the crpg main boards.

Hmm, I'd rather not get involved, but first, Mori has not posted nor endorsed this thread. Second, from mori, He said you stayed in 1 minute just to give your side and left without listening to him. It's only fair if boths sides are represented. And, Until I see the logs, this is all hearsay. Post the logs quell the he said, she said nonsense. I will also state that you have banned people for their names(Example: Star_Fker). Now I don't remember the rules but i don't think that classifies under offensive name. If it does, well, personal opinion(?). Bah I'm getting involved, i'll just shut up now. Post the logs damn it, and shut up every idiot. It's not hard. Probably won't read this anyway.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Gmnotutoo on August 21, 2011, 10:32:46 pm
I don't believe that these are truly "community" servers, that implies a level of democracy that is non-existent.

The official servers are a more pleasant experience. Admin abuse is less common, pings are better, no admin messages from Ecko about voting in some sort of drama poll to keep the ATS servers around,  less drama in general and it has a friendlier atmosphere.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Stylin_ATS on August 21, 2011, 10:41:49 pm
Me? When was I acting like an ass? They got banned when I wasn't even on, you're mistaken.

Sorry I guess what I typed was kind of confusing, you was referring to those who were acting like asses, if that makes more sense.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Classical on August 21, 2011, 10:42:55 pm
Reading this over..

Maybe one day the community servers will find a new box to squat in, and Donkleaps can completely reform his administrators, policies, and style of moderation in accordance with that of the community/general NA public. Other than that, senseless butt hurt fucking messages like this serve to do nothing but create senseless drama, if you had a legitimate, formulated complaint, I'm sure Donk would have heard it out and acknowledged it.

The only thing wrong with the community servers right now is the horrible lag and ping at server stress times, but hopefully one day that will be fixed.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Barbas on August 21, 2011, 11:25:58 pm
I love the community servers.  I think the only players who don't are the morons who like to be able to get away with team-attacking and trolling up the chat.

Community servers more often have admins on, and admins who aren't afraid to enforce the rules.  I'm more than happy to play on a server where I know an admin won't be afraid to ban me if I break a rule - that means other people are more likely to behave as well.

I'm not sure why some people feel they have an inborn right to argue with admins.  Let those types stick to the official servers; I'd be happy to see community server admins immediately ban anyone who does it, so they can be less distracted from keeping the server in line.  Good riddance ;)



 
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Digglez on August 21, 2011, 11:30:53 pm
I love the community servers.  I think the only players who don't are the morons who like to be able to get away with team-attacking and trolling up the chat.

Community servers more often have admins on, and admins who aren't afraid to enforce the rules.  I'm more than happy to play on a server where I know an admin won't be afraid to ban me if I break a rule - that means other people are more likely to behave as well.

I'm not sure why some people feel they have an inborn right to argue with admins.  Let those types stick to the official servers; I'd be happy to see community server admins immediately ban anyone who does it, so they can be less distracted from keeping the server in line.  Good riddance ;)

Theres a difference between consistent and firm admining and powertripping no humor admins.  Admins that think every remark is a personal attack on them and threaten & intimidate the playerbase like its chocolate chip cookie german or something.  Good admins should be like an invisible hand.

Would be nice if this game was actually modernized like other FPS, so admins can WRITE in comments for a kick/ban without entering in some weird ass code.  Kick should also be your warning in most instances, not this 24/7 'warning state' like it currently exists.  The admins do more typing then playing.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Barbas on August 22, 2011, 12:10:23 am
They do have a comment system, don't they?  They can put in 'kicked for teamwounding' or 'leeching' or whatever.  Some of them use it, but it doesn't really matter to me - I've never seen anything that looked like a 'powertripping admin' to me, nor heard any legitimate complaints about admin behavior on community servers.

Usually the complaints are something like "Well yeah I was team-wounding, but the other guy tked me first!  And anyway, you could have just kicked me, not banned me for a whole day!"

I'm glad to see people like that banned.  IMO, good admins are first concerned with keeping the game running smoothly for rule-following players.  Being as gentle as possible with rule-breakers to sweetly coax them into behaving.. that's not something that keeps me up at night.

And this seems to be the difference between those people (and it's the majority, though most aren't especially vocal on the forums) who like the Community servers and those who don't.  People willing to follow the rules love it because they don't have to put up with all the BS you find on official servers; people who cannot follow the rules or actually plan to break them don't like it because there will be actual consequences if they're caught.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Donkleaps on August 22, 2011, 12:14:01 am
Theres a difference between consistent and firm admining and powertripping no humor admins.  Admins that think every remark is a personal attack on them and threaten & intimidate the playerbase like its chocolate chip cookie german or something.  Good admins should be like an invisible hand.

Would be nice if this game was actually modernized like other FPS, so admins can WRITE in comments for a kick/ban without entering in some weird ass code.  Kick should also be your warning in most instances, not this 24/7 'warning state' like it currently exists.  The admins do more typing then playing.
« Last Edit: Today at 20:32:04 by Digglez »

This is one of the issues I am trying to address. It will be done by making sure all admins on the Community servers are on the same page as far as policy goes. I jsut ask for a little time while I try to get everything into place.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Christo on August 22, 2011, 12:36:48 am
Would be nice if this game was actually modernized like other FPS


FPS

FPS

 :mad:

Stop categorizing this as an FPS.

For god's sake.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Mechanix on August 22, 2011, 01:11:57 am
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Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: SMEGMAR on August 22, 2011, 01:14:11 am
Hurrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: D_the_Barbarian on August 22, 2011, 01:19:50 am
He banned Pike_Bastard for having the word Bastard in his name, claiming it to be a curse word.
Dictionary.com definition-
bas·tard
   /ˈbæstərd/ Show Spelled[bas-terd] Show IPA
noun
1.
a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child.
2.
Slang .
a.
a vicious, despicable, or thoroughly disliked person: Some bastard slashed the tires on my car.
b.
a person, especially a man: The poor bastard broke his leg.
3.
something irregular, inferior, spurious, or unusual.
4.
bastard culverin.

See, only mean in slang term.
BRING BACK PIKE BASTARD!
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Argoth on August 22, 2011, 02:11:07 am
He banned Pike_Bastard for having the word Bastard in his name, claiming it to be a curse word.
(click to show/hide)
If I didn't know any better I'd think he is eager to use his admin privileges .
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Classical on August 22, 2011, 02:13:48 am
Donkleaps took over the server for Ecko.. That's fine.
But to try and change how things have been done for so long, is not your place. You're slowly killing the community servers, I hope you realize that.

Fucking moron.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Argoth on August 22, 2011, 02:16:03 am
Fucking moron.

I sort of agree with mechanix,but if you are going to change, give the players a little more slack with the changes until were accustomed.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Diomedes on August 22, 2011, 02:26:26 am
Community servers are nice.  Fewer LLJK generally make for more dependable teams.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: nuffen on August 22, 2011, 02:26:59 am
Community-servers? Sounds like communism. Also, aint these the ATS servers?
NA official is the community servers, nothing else.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Mechanix on August 22, 2011, 03:22:05 am
Fucking moron.

Completely unnecessary. Show a little class, just a little.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on August 22, 2011, 03:28:39 am
I had a whole post ready to go. It was a thing of beauty, denouncing the mentality of the many, many egocentric, fuck-headed children who play this game. I did not support any particular person here, instead I chose the side of intelligence--of responsibility, with much candor. So much sarcasm... I even brought elephants into the fray. There were metaphores and flying lizard people, too.

But then I spazzed and hit some magical combination of keys that sent me back a fucking page, and all my rage dissappeared.

I might suggest to some of the Things ("people" or "children", I guess, though their behavior does not suggest that so human a label would be appropriate) follow my lead. Accidentally hit the "back" button, or close your laptop, or fall off your chair and knock yourself unconscious on the corner of your desk for a short amount of time. Do something, anything, which might interrupt your train of thought, and in so doing pull your mind from this thread like a drowning person is pulled from the ocean by a passing fisherman--by a happy cooincidence, in other words. While you're metaphorically drying off, think about the ridiculous things you planned on saying. Think about the stupidity that you would have subjected the world to had that happy cooincidence not occured.

Then fuck yourself with a rake.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Mechanix on August 22, 2011, 03:31:05 am
I had a whole post ready to go. It was a thing of beauty, denouncing the mentality of the many, many egocentric, fuck-headed children who play this game. I did not support any particular person here, instead I chose the side of intelligence--of responsibility, with much candor. So much sarcasm... I even brought elephants into the fray. There were metaphores and flying lizard people, too.

But then I spazzed and hit some magical combination of keys that sent me back a fucking page, and all my rage dissappeared.

I might suggest to some of the Things ("people" or "children", I guess, though their behavior does not suggest that so human a label would be appropriate) follow my lead. Accidentally hit the "back" button, or close your laptop, or fall off your chair and knock yourself unconscious on the corner of your desk for a short amount of time. Do something, anything, which might interrupt your train of thought, and in so doing pull your mind from this thread like a drowning person is pulled from the ocean by a passing fisherman--by a happy cooincidence, in other words. While you're metaphorically drying off, think about the ridiculous things you planned on saying. Think about the stupidity that you would have subjected the world to had that happy cooincidence not occured.

Then fuck yourself with a rake.

This post blew my mind.  :shock:
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Digglez on August 22, 2011, 03:39:52 am
Stop categorizing this as an FPS.

Its as FPS as any shooter game, 3rd person view doesnt really change much.  The game operates just like FPS games as it is heavily based on ping and twitch skill.

Warband multiplayer is more akin to FPS Counterstrike than it is Gears or War/God of War or any of those other gay console TPS games.


Quote from: Donk
This is one of the issues I am trying to address. It will be done by making sure all admins on the Community servers are on the same page as far as policy goes. I jsut ask for a little time while I try to get everything into place.

Yep, us intelligent players will realize positive changes take time and there are going to be some speed bumps.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Lorn on August 22, 2011, 03:42:51 am
Its as FPS as any shooter game, 3rd person view doesnt really change much.  The game operates just like FPS games as it is heavily based on ping and twitch skill.

Warband multiplayer is more akin to FPS Counterstrike than it is Gears or War/God of War or any of those other gay console TPS games.

I believe he was getting his panties all in a twist because someone insisted that Warband was a first person SHOOTER, never mind that ranged weapons are all the rage and always will be. Doesn't matter if it's bows, crossbows, or throwing weapons, it's still ranged!!! *Steps off the soapbox*

Continue with your thread please.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Mtemtko on August 22, 2011, 04:02:43 am
I had a whole post ready to go. It was a thing of beauty, denouncing the mentality of the many, many egocentric, fuck-headed children who play this game. I did not support any particular person here, instead I chose the side of intelligence--of responsibility, with much candor. So much sarcasm... I even brought elephants into the fray. There were metaphores and flying lizard people, too.

But then I spazzed and hit some magical combination of keys that sent me back a fucking page, and all my rage dissappeared.

I might suggest to some of the Things ("people" or "children", I guess, though their behavior does not suggest that so human a label would be appropriate) follow my lead. Accidentally hit the "back" button, or close your laptop, or fall off your chair and knock yourself unconscious on the corner of your desk for a short amount of time. Do something, anything, which might interrupt your train of thought, and in so doing pull your mind from this thread like a drowning person is pulled from the ocean by a passing fisherman--by a happy cooincidence, in other words. While you're metaphorically drying off, think about the ridiculous things you planned on saying. Think about the stupidity that you would have subjected the world to had that happy cooincidence not occured.

Then fuck yourself with a rake.

Wat.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Starfucker on August 22, 2011, 04:29:54 am
meh.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Earthdforce on August 22, 2011, 04:30:49 am
Until they get unbanned DL will be playing on the official severs.
Speak for yourself bud-eh.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Argoth on August 22, 2011, 04:37:51 am
Speak for yourself bud-eh.
Nobody took me seriously and there making me look like a fool. They will all be dealt with.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Earthdforce on August 22, 2011, 04:40:41 am
Nobody took me seriously and there making me look like a fool. They will all be dealt with.
No seriously, I see Lyran, Ace, Bran, dontbanmeagain, and pinkiepie in the siege right now.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Mechanix on August 22, 2011, 05:02:44 am
Nobody took me seriously and there making me look like a fool. They will all be dealt with.

Indeed, I've been on Official by myself all day today.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Darkkarma on August 22, 2011, 07:10:48 am
Who's idea was it to give Donks admin anyway? In any case, I can think of about 10 reasons why I already prefer the official servers to the community ones. I'll just add this incident and this admin to the growing list of reasons.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Huey Newton on August 22, 2011, 07:26:11 am
He banned Pike_Bastard for having the word Bastard in his name, claiming it to be a curse word.
Dictionary.com definition-
bas·tard
   /ˈbæstərd/ Show Spelled[bas-terd] Show IPA
noun
1.
a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child.
2.
Slang .
a.
a vicious, despicable, or thoroughly disliked person: Some bastard slashed the tires on my car.
b.
a person, especially a man: The poor bastard broke his leg.
3.
something irregular, inferior, spurious, or unusual.
4.
bastard culverin.

See, only mean in slang term.
BRING BACK PIKE BASTARD!

visitors can't see pics , please register or login

Bastard Sword
weapon length: 101
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 99
weapon length: 101
thrust damage: 21 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
slots: 2
Secondary Mode

This weapon should too be removed
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Starfucker on August 22, 2011, 03:54:22 pm
+1 from me. I got banned for my name, which I've been using for months with no problems. There is nothing in the server rules against swearing, however I was banned without warning. I could give up and just change it, but I'm probably better off playing on the big boy servers from now on. So goodbye community servers. I'll see you when the old admins come back or the new ones get less ban happy.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Torp on August 22, 2011, 05:27:48 pm
I never use the community servers - higher ping, more lag and bad admins
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on August 22, 2011, 05:54:37 pm
You are all too harsh, i mean this server served you well before there was no official server and now you spit on it...
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Lt_Anders on August 22, 2011, 07:03:06 pm
You are all too harsh, i mean this server served you well before there was no official server and now you spit on it...

I think it's more of the admins/policy that they are spitting on.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: dynamike on August 22, 2011, 08:42:23 pm
I had a whole post ready to go. It was a thing of beauty, denouncing the mentality of the many, many egocentric, fuck-headed children who play this game. I did not support any particular person here, instead I chose the side of intelligence--of responsibility, with much candor. So much sarcasm... I even brought elephants into the fray. There were metaphores and flying lizard people, too.

But then I spazzed and hit some magical combination of keys that sent me back a fucking page, and all my rage dissappeared.

I might suggest to some of the Things ("people" or "children", I guess, though their behavior does not suggest that so human a label would be appropriate) follow my lead. Accidentally hit the "back" button, or close your laptop, or fall off your chair and knock yourself unconscious on the corner of your desk for a short amount of time. Do something, anything, which might interrupt your train of thought, and in so doing pull your mind from this thread like a drowning person is pulled from the ocean by a passing fisherman--by a happy cooincidence, in other words. While you're metaphorically drying off, think about the ridiculous things you planned on saying. Think about the stupidity that you would have subjected the world to had that happy cooincidence not occured.

Then fuck yourself with a rake.

Best post from you yet. Approved.

Off to Home Depot, sampling rakes.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: robert_namo on August 23, 2011, 12:14:02 am
I like Donk, at least he plays.






Also, whoever donates the most to the server upkeep gets a 1 on 1 date with me.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Kryser on August 23, 2011, 12:44:34 am
I would have one that contest in June :(
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Ecko on August 23, 2011, 02:51:16 am
You guys are over reacting wayyy to much.

Donk has a task before him that I've asked him to perform (I.e. Take care of the servers, enforce the rules, make other admins enforce rules, an add/remove admins as necessary). He is only doing what I asked (such as the statement before). Please understand that the reason why the community servers have suddenly become strict when enforcing rules is because of what we plan on providing when I return on the 31st.

There may be some people caught in the cross fire here and there, which we(admins) will explore and try to correct as much as we can. However, until the 31st, please be kind to donk and cut the guy some slack. He does have experience in community management, but he's still new to the community. Though that may sound like a bad thing, it does have a unique quality no one else can bring, such as:

Unbiased Decisions
Clear cut rules
Professional, though strict, opportunities for the future.

I will ask him to throttle back the ban times, or discuss his actions in private with those who approach him in a civil manner. However, these ARE community servers. That means that players, not one person pays for them. Because of that, it is our responsibility to provide, as much as we can, an enjoyable playing experience for as wide a player base as possible.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Damug on August 23, 2011, 03:17:03 am
Game on.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Classical on August 23, 2011, 03:20:26 am
You guys are over reacting wayyy to much.

Donk has a task before him that I've asked him to perform. He is only doing what I asked. Please understand that the reason why the community servers have suddenly become strict when enforcing rules is because of what we plan on providing when I return.

All of these bolded terms scare me to no end.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Donkleaps on August 23, 2011, 03:24:54 am
Don't be scared. I love you all.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Blackzilla on August 23, 2011, 03:26:58 am
My good friends Memento Mori and Fuer Griss Ost Drauka have been wrongly banned.
If you are with us, do not play on the community servers, play on the official servers.
Boycott especially Donkleaps_KGB
Until they get unbanned DL will be playing on the official severs.
I saw alot of DL players on community servers.....
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Lt_Anders on August 23, 2011, 03:27:55 am
I am an admin on those servers but you knew that.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Blackzilla on August 23, 2011, 03:33:46 am
I am an admin on those servers but you knew that.
I know anders but i saw others
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Meow on August 23, 2011, 03:46:41 am
Although i am a huge fan of random forum drama i would totally love if we could get back to the normal stuff instead of random server bashing.
There are enough servers connected to the database by now and if you don't like a server just go play somewhere else.
If you have a serious problem with a server that is not an official one feel free to contact me on IRC or PMing me on the forums so it can be taken care of.
Please make sure you only take those steps if you have a serious case against that server and are not just pissed because they just banned because you broke rules or disturbed the overall gameflow.
Also read the rules for server operators BEFORE you contact me so you know their boundaries when it comes to kicks and bans.

Official servers are the ones called NA_cRPG_X or EU_cRPG_X where X is a number between 1 to something like 7 i think.
If you get removed from those don't bother contacting me but go straight to the corresponding forum section and ask to be unbanned.

Anyhow please stop opening up threads about stuff like this in the general section.
There are ban/unban subforums/threads for all the unofficial servers and those should be used.
If you don't feel like asking to be unbanned just play somewhere else and enjoy the game.

Good to be back :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Blackzilla on August 23, 2011, 03:59:29 am
Although i am a huge fan of random forum drama i would totally love if we could get back to the normal stuff instead of random server bashing.
There are enough servers connected to the database by now and if you don't like a server just go play somewhere else.
If you have a serious problem with a server that is not an official one feel free to contact me on IRC or PMing me on the forums so it can be taken care of.
Please make sure you only take those steps if you have a serious case against that server and are not just pissed because they just banned because you broke rules or disturbed the overall gameflow.
Also read the rules for server operators BEFORE you contact me so you know their boundaries when it comes to kicks and bans.

Official servers are the ones called NA_cRPG_X or EU_cRPG_X where X is a number between 1 to something like 7 i think.
If you get removed from those don't bother contacting me but go straight to the corresponding forum section and ask to be unbanned.

Anyhow please stop opening up threads about stuff like this in the general section.
There are ban/unban subforums/threads for all the unofficial servers and those should be used.
If you don't feel like asking to be unbanned just play somewhere else and enjoy the game.

Good to be back :mrgreen:
is there anything you can do about this drama? http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14115.0/topicseen.html
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Meow on August 23, 2011, 04:12:26 am
nah strat is nothing i can fix or resolve in any way.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Blackzilla on August 23, 2011, 04:33:15 am
nah strat is nothing i can fix or resolve in any way.
Can you make sure chadz sees this?
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Meow on August 23, 2011, 04:35:53 am
maybe :mrgreen:
kinda the wrong thread tho dude.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Blackzilla on August 23, 2011, 04:49:07 am
maybe :mrgreen:
kinda the wrong thread tho dude.
Thats not a strategus issue?
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Ecko on August 23, 2011, 04:51:53 am
All of these bolded terms scare me to no end.

Mostly fixed. Sorry for the vague terms. Didnt have much time.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Sphinxer on August 23, 2011, 08:29:32 am
We did ban at multiple times the same players (who never learned to respect the rules), admins abused their powers (mute kicks ban and admin msg) and sadly, drastic changes have to occur to fix the situation. Big things , new things , exciting things are planned, and I understand that Donk's job isn't easy. There were misunderstandings, actions that were judged too radical (abuse) but seen from a different perspective, can be considered tolerable. What I'm saying is calling an admin an idiot or an asshole, you shouldn't be warned to be respectful, but simply removed from the server and let others enjoy the "game", and not the "drama".

The term "ATS" server doesn't really apply anymore, as most of the admins aren't ATS , and it just happens that 2 of the ATS guys are head admin of the battle, but the head admins of siege aren't from ATS and Ecko supervise the whole thing. Is he getting paid for all the trouble , all the drama ? Nah.

Most of the people complaining and threatening to boycott don't even donate nor respect the rules. So losing the "bad apples" from the tree will just make it better in my opinion. Siege is like kindergarten sometimes and because we've been too naive that people will change or be more respectful of the rules after 1 or many bans, drastic actions were , are and will be required to keep the community servers enjoyable to the majority.

Bear with us during the changes, as the reward will be worth it
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Lt_Anders on August 23, 2011, 03:56:07 pm
The term "ATS" server doesn't really apply anymore, as most of the admins aren't ATS , and it just happens that 2 of the ATS guys are head admin of the battle, but the head admins of siege aren't from ATS and Ecko supervise the whole thing. Is he getting paid for all the trouble , all the drama ? Nah.

actually, there are 8 ATS admins, not counting Ecko out of 31 total admins.(only first letter shown but not rest of name)
   C
   N
   D
   Q
   D
   S
   H
   A
   _4

Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: DefMars on August 24, 2011, 01:43:04 am
I am now also boycotting the community servers, after trying to attack the door i accidentally killed the horse blocking the door. The player came back and tried to tk me but someone else tked him. then i was kicked from the server without warning. I rejoined and to figure out why and was banned before I could say anything. Admin was GK_Lorden. You won't be seeing me on the community servers anymore

DL_Steady
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Tasorin on August 24, 2011, 01:54:26 am
Donk is a like or loath kinda guy.

Trolls, Ass clowns, and Kid Pubbies, usually hate him.

I have known Donk for many years now. He is a "Go Do" machine.

Once the plan is in place, you turn Donk loose with guidelines and get out of the way.

This is what you are beginning to see now.

I guarantee that if you actually talk to him 1:1 and are civil, the problem is solved 99% of the time.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this poll split down the middle.

Especially because most cRPG people are not use too or ready for a Donktatorship.

The KGB GSS has specifically left this poll alone so as  not to meta-game the results.

-Tasorin
www.the-kgb.com (http://www.the-kgb.com)

Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: DefMars on August 24, 2011, 02:06:11 am
Donk is a like or loath kinda guy.

Trolls, Ass clowns, and Kid Pubbies, usually hate him.

I have known Donk for many years now. He is a "Go Do" machine.

Once the plan is in place, you turn Donk loose with guidelines and get out of the way.

This is what you are beginning to see now.

I guarantee that if you actually talk to him 1:1 and are civil, the problem is solved 99% of the time.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this poll split down the middle.

Especially because most cRPG people are not use too or ready for a Donktatorship.

The KGB GSS has specifically left this poll alone so as  not to meta-game the results.

-Tasorin
www.the-kgb.com (http://www.the-kgb.com)

Too bad he bans without warning so there is no chance to talk to him
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 24, 2011, 02:17:25 am
Where is the neutral vote answer?
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Varric on August 24, 2011, 02:21:44 am
The first option, obviously.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Earthdforce on August 25, 2011, 12:00:21 am
Especially because most cRPG people are not use too or ready for a Donktatorship.
Uhh..our creator is a donkey..
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Nindur on August 25, 2011, 12:44:15 am
Who cares! You're all slaves to clans and groups anyway! YOU WILL NEVER KNOW FREEDOM!
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: rustyspoon on August 25, 2011, 12:46:34 am
Meh, I'd rather have a server with harsh admins than lax ones. If there are a few casualties to keep a server dickhead free than so be it.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: MrShovelFace on August 25, 2011, 12:47:29 am
i thought you are supposed to boycott things that you have to pay for..
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Donkleaps on August 25, 2011, 10:47:47 am
One thing that people have not taken into account is that the single most difficult aspect of doing admin work on any cRPG server is that EVERTHING is done publicly. Whichever admin has to make a decision at the time is immediately targeted and trolled to no end due to the simple fact there is as of yet no direct function in game t send a message to another player.

Yes you can send a forum message which is the system I have mainly been using but the response time to that is not the most efficient. So this coupled with players always feeling that they are ENTITILED to do whatever they want since they are not paying to play this game is leading us to some interesting experiences. With the influx of new players brought to the game especially through the recent Steam deal we garnered the Community servers will continue to be an area catering to veterans and newcomers alike for everyone to have a good time.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Classical on August 25, 2011, 11:33:02 am
Well howdy there prospectin' server partna'!

I don' heard ya enjoyed playin' on dem Community Servers? Any truth to dat' dare rumor? Well if there be truth to dat dare rumor you ought to know somethin'!

As long as mean ol' Captain Retardo Ecko doesn't butt his nose in to the point where he completely takes dat dare reigns of administration over - like he used to run dat dare community servers - again, I'm sure ol' [I fucking hate you, whoever put this filter in] donlipsas' will turn out jus' fine! Remember folks, he's stilla learnin' and he's got a good ol' heart, and that there be all that matters, he'll learn, as long as he sticks to his guns, and follows his dere path, oh he'll learn real good.

So give him a break there folks, and have some fun playing cRPG, and stop fucking stirring up public dramatic bullshit like this where it can easily be avoided and handled internally.. dare.

This is ol' Zealot the server prospecta' tellin yah to shut the fuck up, and play the game.

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Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Darkkarma on August 25, 2011, 12:08:08 pm
You have way too much time on your hands zealot. Thats probably the funniest post you've made in a while.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: EyeBeat on August 25, 2011, 02:21:53 pm
I support Donk as head admin!

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Quallen on August 25, 2011, 07:55:14 pm
I'll say this for the Community servers, at least they are consistent(ly laggy.) On the official servers you're left wondering if the admin is actually going to do something or instead going to tell you to shutup.  There is something to be said for knowing that the rules are enforced as advertised.

I am now also boycotting the community servers, after trying to attack the door i accidentally killed the horse blocking the door. The player came back and tried to tk me but someone else tked him. then i was kicked from the server without warning. I rejoined and to figure out why and was banned before I could say anything. Admin was GK_Lorden. You won't be seeing me on the community servers anymore

DL_Steady

Considering that I've seen you hiding behind spawn in tents on siege before I'd say you not playing on the Community servers is the expected outcome.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Ecko on August 26, 2011, 03:42:31 am
Well howdy there prospectin' server partna'!

I don' heard ya enjoyed playin' on dem Community Servers? Any truth to dat' dare rumor? Well if there b

So give him a break there folks, and have some fun playing cRPG, and stop fucking stirring up public dramatic bullshit like this where it can easily be avoided and handled internally.. dare.



I've never had 100 % control. Never do I touch the server files nor is the server in my name. I agree about the drama though.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Darkkarma on August 26, 2011, 06:49:01 am
I'll say this for the Community servers, at least they are consistent(ly laggy.) On the official servers you're left wondering if the admin is actually going to do something or instead going to tell you to shutup.  There is something to be said for knowing that the rules are enforced as advertised.

Considering that I've seen you hiding behind spawn in tents on siege before I'd say you not playing on the Community servers is the expected outcome.

Odd, even before I was an admin on the official servers, if there was an admin on, they enforced the rules. They may not have been as quick to kick or ban someone, but they definitely were not acting the way you just described them
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 26, 2011, 06:56:29 am
I'll say this for the Community servers, at least they are consistent(ly laggy.) On the official servers you're left wondering if the admin is actually going to do something or instead going to tell you to shutup. 

If an admin on the official servers tells you to shut up, you did something stupid and are toing a kick or a mute.

I have no idea why you are encountering this problem on the official servers, but I highly recommend that you change whatever you are doing behavior wise if admin are telling you such things, though this is rather puzzling as I don't remember your name coming up as a problem child...
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Digglez on August 26, 2011, 08:36:39 am
New reason to boycott community siege: they turned off banner balance due to whiners.  no reason to play there anymore. cya later
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: EyeBeat on August 26, 2011, 09:02:20 am
Cool I hate banner balance!
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Quallen on August 26, 2011, 09:33:02 am
If an admin on the official servers tells you to shut up, you did something stupid and are toing a kick or a mute.

I have no idea why you are encountering this problem on the official servers, but I highly recommend that you change whatever you are doing behavior wise if admin are telling you such things, though this is rather puzzling as I don't remember your name coming up as a problem child...

Nope, negative, sorry but I'm a stand up guy.  My poor experiences were in the first weeks and I apologize for not knowing the current admin list but multiple KC have had problems reporting goon troublemakers to goon admins.  It might not be true currently but at the time it felt rather like admin roulette.  I'll send you a PM later.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Donkleaps on August 26, 2011, 02:35:42 pm
New reason to boycott community siege: they turned off banner balance due to whiners.  no reason to play there anymore. cya later

This is 100% inaccurate. We took off banner balance until noon today in order to get some comparative numbers. A suggestion that we thought was excellent with the influx of new players is to rotate days for banner/strict balance on siege. Leave battle1 as perma banner balance and use battle2 to cater to the newer players that are untagged that don't want to be pub stomped all day long and actually learn the game.

Get facts straight before qq time. I want to know what tabloid a lot of you are getting your super mega awesome information from because I want to subscribe to it.

"It's like playing cards with my brothers kids."

*EDIT* Noon Central to clarify.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 26, 2011, 03:31:44 pm
We should just boycott NA for a few weeks and force people to use EU ping, then let everyone back in.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Gorath on August 26, 2011, 04:48:30 pm
cater to the newer players that are untagged that don't want to be pub stomped all day long and actually learn the game.

Pfft.  You big fucking carebear.  Fuck new players and pubbies.  BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Donkleaps on August 26, 2011, 05:10:20 pm
Pfft.  You big fucking carebear.  Fuck new players and pubbies.  BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

Only worthy skulls are sufficient to decorate such a relic. Khorne laughs at your poor wins. (SEEWUDIDIDTHAR!?!?!?)
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Keslord on August 26, 2011, 10:42:16 pm
One more reason to boycott is the server's refusal to remove broken maps MONTHS after the maps were recognized as totally defective.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Digglez on August 26, 2011, 10:54:13 pm
This is 100% inaccurate. We took off banner balance until noon today in order to get some comparative numbers. A suggestion that we thought was excellent with the influx of new players is to rotate days for banner/strict balance on siege. Leave battle1 as perma banner balance and use battle2 to cater to the newer players that are untagged that don't want to be pub stomped all day long and actually learn the game.

Get facts straight before qq time. I want to know what tabloid a lot of you are getting your super mega awesome information from because I want to subscribe to it.

"It's like playing cards with my brothers kids."

*EDIT* Noon Central to clarify.

What do you expect when you post zero information anywhere.  We're not mind readers, instead of just turning something off that players are accustomed to, you could actually post whats going on....perhaps even BEFOREHAND!

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I'm not statistician but I dont think shutting it off for a day or a few hours is going to give you very good statistics to measure.

Catering to noobs and beginners isnt going to help any, as this game is extremely harsh on new people.  If people are afraid of a learning curve, this isnt the game for them, banner balance or not.  All you're doing is alienating your base.  Myself and clan play siege to play together.

And like poster above, I'd think getting the poor map rotation in order would be a MUCH higher priority than messing with banner balance.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Classical on August 27, 2011, 01:10:08 am
In all honesty, I know personally that Donk is working on some communal communication aspects to better connect the NA community with the server administration over the community NA servers, so give him a break while this shit comes into fruition.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Jinxits on August 27, 2011, 01:27:44 am
Theres a difference between consistent and firm admining and powertripping no humor admins.  Admins that think every remark is a personal attack on them and threaten & intimidate the playerbase like its chocolate chip cookie german or something.  Good admins should be like an invisible hand.

Would be nice if this game was actually modernized like other FPS, so admins can WRITE in comments for a kick/ban without entering in some weird ass code.  Kick should also be your warning in most instances, not this 24/7 'warning state' like it currently exists.  The admins do more typing then playing.
« Last Edit: Today at 20:32:04 by Digglez »

This is one of the issues I am trying to address. It will be done by making sure all admins on the Community servers are on the same page as far as policy goes. I jsut ask for a little time while I try to get everything into place.


Donk I think its going to take more then a little time I understand your postition but some of your admins do rage alot easier then others and throw down their rage when pushed. Not that I do the pushing but I do play alot and notice people on a regular basis push your admins buttons. And some more then others can deal with it. And some just go right for the bans with out the Kicks. Yea I have seen it happen. I dont say anything these players push buttons they deserve what they get. But maybe those admins should hit them with their KICK STICK a few times before they haul them out on their BAN WAGONS for a few hours???? Just sayin...  Does this game only have one level of admin Priv or does it have Several levels that you can shell out??? Like other games? Say CS for example? Im sure Counterstrike has Several Levels of Admining. Im guessing this game only has one.

JINX  :twisted:
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Mihilist on August 27, 2011, 03:53:04 am
And like poster above, I'd think getting the poor map rotation in order would be a MUCH higher priority than messing with banner balance.

It should be the highest priority.  There are maps in the rotation that are either broken or completely unbalanced both of which results in a negative gaming experience regardless of player skill or experience.

Don't really care about banner balance either way but I'm not a veteran (started mid April) and you only get better from losing. 
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Lt_Anders on August 28, 2011, 12:01:51 am
It should be the highest priority.  There are maps in the rotation that are either broken or completely unbalanced both of which results in a negative gaming experience regardless of player skill or experience.

Don't really care about banner balance either way but I'm not a veteran (started mid April) and you only get better from losing.

Agreed. You wouldn't believe the number of CHANGE MAP requests I get in siege.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Keslord on August 28, 2011, 09:50:04 pm
Tried to ask Donk in game if he had done anything to address the community's concerns  but he refused to answer.


How. Hard. Is. It. To. Change. The. Map. Rotation?


Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Gash on August 28, 2011, 10:23:23 pm
Airith is in charge of map rotation - he's pretty busy these days, but you can pester him if you want. Editing/removing maps isn't hard, just time consuming. And people have lives.

He did create a voting system to vote maps off in the Scene Editing section of the forums - not sure if many folks have used it.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Digglez on August 28, 2011, 11:21:33 pm
Airith is in charge of map rotation - he's pretty busy these days, but you can pester him if you want. Editing/removing maps isn't hard, just time consuming. And people have lives.

He did create a voting system to vote maps off in the Scene Editing section of the forums - not sure if many folks have used it.

He hasnt read those threads in over 2 months, dude needs to step down if he cant check shit at least once a week.
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: Keslord on August 29, 2011, 01:18:34 am
If you want the server to be taken seriously, this shit has got to change.

Example 1  Camelot

Gates are bugged. Map is great for first round. After that, interribad begins.

Sometimes both are open at the start of the round, sometimes only one. When the gate is bugged, it is impossible to close.


Start of Round 2:

-note that only 14 seconds has elapsed
(click to show/hide)


Closed Gate
(click to show/hide)

Open Gate

(click to show/hide)




If the person that changes map rotation is negligent, please find someone else.

That is all
Title: Re: Boycott the community servers.
Post by: dreadnok on August 30, 2011, 09:08:25 pm
I am now also boycotting the community servers, after trying to attack the door i accidentally killed the horse blocking the door. The player came back and tried to tk me but someone else tked him. then i was kicked from the server without warning. I rejoined and to figure out why and was banned before I could say anything. Admin was GK_Lorden. You won't be seeing me on the community servers anymore

DL_Steady

hey steady the funny thing is multiple people were complaining about you in admin chat i was there in ts with lorden. thats why you only got kicked.