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Off Topic => Spam => Topic started by: Beothed on August 12, 2011, 04:13:15 am
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Why is it that pubbers get punished when clan are free to roll on at 5x? Every night I've been playing this game and steadily getting better at it, but getting dumped to the crap team every time it balances is gay as hell. I just spent 6 rounds getting teamswitched every single time? How is that acceptable?
The first round you get in and get a good multi while helping your team win and guess what, you get switched to the team that has half the people running around in robes to get rolled for four rounds in a row, so the rich get richer and the new folks suck eggs.
The player skill in this game makes way more difference then numbers or gear. Every time I play it stacks most of the vets on one team and all the others on the other. It's getting really old.
Can we make it so it takes the vets and the new guys and splits them between the teams?
It's bad enough for new folks learning this mod without getting dumped to team suck every round because your not wearing the right banner.
OK, I'm going to calm down now. 8-)
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Without banner balance, clans would bitch because they can't sit on x5 all day long. Sadly, there is no real way to balance this out.
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Wow, another one of these stupid threads. You have 2 options. Just join a clan if they're that much of an advantage (and they are, but because of teamwork, not skill hording) or go play on the 50 man ATS server that doesn't have banner balance. In this game, skill may be more important than equipment and grinding, but teamwork is even more important than that. Consequently, it's going to lean in favor of letting clans use teamwork. If you can't live with it, go on a server without banner balance and enjoy the popularity of servers without banner balance.
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Why is it that pubbers get punished when clan are free to roll on at 5x? Every night I've been playing this game and steadily getting better at it, but getting dumped to the crap team every time it balances is gay as hell. I just spent 6 rounds getting teamswitched every single time? How is that acceptable?
The first round you get in and get a good multi while helping your team win and guess what, you get switched to the team that has half the people running around in robes to get rolled for four rounds in a row, so the rich get richer and the new folks suck eggs.
The player skill in this game makes way more difference then numbers or gear. Every time I play it stacks most of the vets on one team and all the others on the other. It's getting really old.
Can we make it so it takes the vets and the new guys and splits them between the teams?
It's bad enough for new folks learning this mod without getting dumped to team suck every round because your not wearing the right banner.
OK, I'm going to calm down now. 8-)
Join a clan.
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Join a clan, or play on the 50 man or another server that has banner balance off.
Easy solutions.
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Why join a clan when you can just use their banner instead? :D
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Why join a clan when you can just use their banner instead? :D
pPl that use the Greys banner when theyre rolling siege is what came to mind.
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Join a clan.
Thank You, I think I will.
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I like being on the "bad" team...it's just that much more funny when you win.
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Being in a clan helps a lot, banner balance does tend to lead to clan + randoms vs clan + randoms which end up being pretty fun fights. Occasioanlly though it will screw up and do clan + clan vs all the randoms. Basically teamwork > numbers, skill, weapon advantages/disadvantages and terrain advantages combined.
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Remove the Upkeep so there is no MUST HAVE to win every round.
The way of losing a multi is not so harsh then.
Expect for the leveling it takes just a little longer.
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Remove the Upkeep so there is no MUST HAVE to win every round.
The way of losing a multi is not so harsh then.
Expect for the leveling it takes just a little longer.
failure is a good teacher, too bad you're a bad student
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Remove the Upkeep so there is no MUST HAVE to win every round.
The way of losing a multi is not so harsh then.
Expect for the leveling it takes just a little longer.
Upkeep is fine now. Well, it's probably still a bit too lenient for high-end stuff. Especially with valour, you can get shit-tons of gold nowadays. I know I am.
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I think the issue here is autobalance.
I don't see the problem, though. We need to keep the current autobalance system because everybody needs to win, and for one team to beat the other more than once or twice in a row would be unfair, becausse somebody would be loosing. Gotta keep everything nice and even, so everybody wins, all the time; and no one looses.
Besides, I enjoy being switched to the loosing team and promptly loosing my multiplier. As a cavalry player, upkeep isn't an issue or anything.
Gotta keep the balance!
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Idn why instead of introducking upkeep chadz didnt just make 2 servers one for lvls 30 and over and one for under 30.
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Personally I don't feel that when most clans get stacked to one team it's that much of a problem. It's when a clan with 90% cavalry for example (my pet bugbear with this game, cavalry get stacked onto one team, that team enjoys x5 unless the map is pure hills & buildings.)
It's been suggested before but isn't a priority to the development team from what I understand, to change the way the system works in order to allow for balance between classes as well.
I've not personally noticed too much of a moment where it got too heavy on the EU servers with 1 team getting stacked (other than me afformentioned bugbear.)
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I can see the issue. For example GK tonight kept a solid x5 for about 5 maps (around 2h of play, I got 15000 gold and 360000 experience :lol:). We didn't lose it once (unless one of us got balanced to the other side of course). Bearing in mind there were about 7 of us on, plus random cavs. So it was very cav heavy on the pecores server with 100 guys.
But then if you want to avoid this and do well, join a clan and get in TS like we do.
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Enough with exactly the same whine topics on this matter, read previous ones instead of making another one of your own.
Join a clan, or play on the 50 man or another server that has banner balance off.
Easy solutions.
Why was this downrated?
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Enough with exactly the same whine topics on this matter, read previous ones instead of making another one of your own.
Why was this downrated?
I don't know. the odd thing is, my computer says it is -12 yet I only see five of the names that voted negative.
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I don't know. the odd thing is, my computer says it is -12 yet I only see five of the names that voted negative.
Where can u see that?
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i always been against banner balance the day it was implemented , i dont like matches ending all the time 5-0 5-1 or 4-1 or whatever the server you are in, there is a few flaws in the banner balance system i think :
1- it favor the banner before everything else , an example : 2 clans together in the game , we see cases where they are put in the same team... :shock:
2- people will say but you have more people on your side : quality over quantity IS always better , beside tons of peasants end up on the pub team and become clan fodder
3- Banner balance doesnt take consideration into style of players :im sure you guys have fun getting raped by 10 cavs or 10 archers , even clan infantry is fiercer than pubbies
the 50 man ATS is empty because clans love to play together , and i agree its fun to play with your buddies and TS or ventrillo and warn people even when your death :p ,
i had lots of fun in strategus back then with remains of stratia, when playing with your clan actually made sense , for public server fighting it should never be on...
when xp is on the line that make this balance no good...
oh old crpg where are thou :(
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people play multiplayer games with friends to fight together, not on different teams. getting rid of banner balance on pub servers, say goodbye to 20% or more of your population or have even more afk leechers.
I do agree however improvements could be made to SEPARATE clans onto different teams.
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people play multiplayer games with friends to fight together, not on different teams. getting rid of banner balance on pub servers, say goodbye to 20% or more of your population or have even more afk leechers.
I do agree however improvements could be made to SEPARATE clans onto different teams.
people dont quit this game because they cant play with in the same team as their friends come on :p they quit because they are tired of the Crpg madness :D
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people dont quit this game because they cant play with in the same team as their friends come on :p they quit because they are tired of the Crpg madness :D
wrong, when a cornerstone friend/clanmate leaves, they often bring others with them. Noone cares if Balbaroth falls of the face of the earth, he's just 1 man (some would say a Myth!). But its dominoes when someone in a clan stops playing the game.
P.S. I love Balbaroth and do not wish him to get hit by a bus
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wrong, when a cornerstone friend/clanmate leaves, they often bring others with them. Noone cares if Balbaroth falls of the face of the earth, he's just 1 man (some would say a Myth!). But its dominoes when someone in a clan stops playing the game.
P.S. I love Balbaroth and do not wish him to get hit by a bus
aww i thought i was playing with tuff warriors with no e-feelings :D
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Where can u see that?
Click on the person thingy to the right of the -+ buttons and to the left of quote.
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I'll stack my teams however I want! visitors can't see pics , please register or login
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Click on the person thingy to the right of the -+ buttons and to the left of quote.
Ah ty.
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Banner balance is unfair. Saying join a clan is dumb, that's why it got downgraded.
Saying join a clan is dumb because:
It is bad for the player:
Some people don't want to play in a clan, especially a clan of people who take a game WAYYYY to seriously. Some people simply want to play the game without others getting a huge advantage because of who they associate with.
It is bad for the clans:
If people actually follow your logic, than clans will end up with tons of players who join just to reap the benefits, and care nothing about the clan. Then the application process and acceptance process become more difficult and a waste of time.
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Banner balance is unfair. Saying join a clan is dumb, that's why it got downgraded.
Saying join a clan is dumb because:
It is bad for the player:
Some people don't want to play in a clan, especially a clan of people who take a game WAYYYY to seriously. Some people simply want to play the game without others getting a huge advantage because of who they associate with.
It is bad for the clans:
If people actually follow your logic, than clans will end up with tons of players who join just to reap the benefits, and care nothing about the clan. Then the application process and acceptance process become more difficult and a waste of time.
Cool. Good points, what about the second half of my sentence?
Join a server (like the 50 man community) without bannerbalance on?
EDIT: Also, what about using a banner of a popular clan?
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Join a clan, or play on the 50 man or another server that has banner balance off.
Easy solutions.
Fix it so the clans don't get all the gold and xp, even easier solution and maybe more fair.
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Banner balance is one of the greatest things in this game, it sucked very much when I first started and was rarely switched to the team with my brother.
Would be nice if it forced a clan vs clan kinda thing and not a clan+clan+clan vs random pubbies and random assorted excluded clan members.
all in all I enjoy banner balance but I guess I'm biased because..
1. I'm in a clan
2. My brother and I enjoy playing games with each other not against.
3. I enjoy being able to throw on a banner of a friend or clan and roll with them
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Some people simply want to play the game without others getting a huge advantage because of who they associate with.
Like saying teamwork shouldn't give any advantages...
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iwarn people even when your death
I'm death. And usually I don't warn anyone, really.
PS. This topic in TL;DR, same as any other of this sort: I'm a pubbie, cba to join a clan and incorporate teamwork in my play, fix the game.
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if you see a certain clan dominating the battle server or siege server all the time, put on their banner, not hard. there's nothing that says you have to actually be in a clan to use their banner vOv
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True enough Bear. Now, let me see what banners the other teams are using when I'm spectating so I can switch. :!:
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Put on any banner except triple hogs and prepare to be at x5 every round.
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Without banner balance, clans would bitch because they can't sit on x5 all day long. Sadly, there is no real way to balance this out.
and last but not last, some clan cheat autobalance at first round by doing Choose Faction, Spectator, Choose Faction until they're all together, cheating autobalance for good.
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Bitch, bitch, bitch...
Whine, whine, whine....
I'm the best, i have all my heirlooms, i'm level 35, and i'm a god at blocking, but damm this guys use teamwork against me, it's unfair!!
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Enough with exactly the same whine topics on this matter, read previous ones instead of making another one of your own.
Why was this downrated?
touche? :lol: why do we even need banner balance if you and your guys keep fooling the autobalance by spec rejoin spec rejoin route?
i'm too plain sick of joining a siege in the morning with 20 players where 10 are greys in one team and 10 in the other (with 2 afk, 1 leeching without weapon, 3 lowbies, 2 griefing and actually 2 playing)
you have your eternal x5, fine... you even want people to shut up?
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touche? :lol: why do we even need banner balance if you and your guys keep fooling the autobalance by spec rejoin spec rejoin route?
I guess you have proof of this behaviour, you know it's a bannable offense, so you can make post in the dedicated forum section.
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People who do not understand banner balance haven't understood this game at all.
This is not a game where you sit alone and play, you logon and play with people...
If I couldn't use a specific banner to play with a friend (or my faction) I would never log on to play again, it is already bad enough that auto team balance pretty much (not all the time but almost always) ruins every chance to do some proper training together, due to switching one of your top players over for balancing. It sucks to be the one who gets switched because then the rest of your faction is planning and being tactical on TeamSpeak and all you can do is just run around and lulz...
Teamplay is pretty much the core of this game. Why would you want to end that in favor of randomness and loners?! Disgusting.
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I don't know why you guys rammed his first post into the ground... He is understandably frustrated at being a new player and getting crushed by organized clans...
That said, most teamspeaks I'm in hardly use teamwork but they DO get on the same team so better players on one team.
I recommend getting a well known banner if you feel left out
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I guess you have proof of this behaviour, you know it's a bannable offense, so you can make post in the dedicated forum section.
oh so i should install FRAPS, get in a morning siege, record, mixdown avi, upload on youtube, make a thread about it? no thanks.. i just finish my coffee and go back to work leaving the kids play in x5.
pity we have really few admins.
I don't know why you guys rammed his first post into the ground... He is understandably frustrated at being a new player and getting crushed by organized clans...
That said, most teamspeaks I'm in hardly use teamwork but they DO get on the same team so better players on one team.
I recommend getting a well known banner if you feel left out
good idea. we all put on a scimitar on grey background banner so we play siege with team 1 full and team 2 empty. genius!
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touche? :lol: why do we even need banner balance if you and your guys keep fooling the autobalance by spec rejoin spec rejoin route?
You know...most of the time that doesn't actually work. Once you get in a team, unless you waste half the map trying, no matter how many times you go spec, you will stay there.
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You know...most of the time that doesn't actually work. Once you get in a team, unless you waste half the map trying, no matter how many times you go spec, you will stay there.
i really can't explain why. when we have 10 fallens/HRE/pecores/pillagers/etc , 3-4 of em get in the other team by too much bannerstack. when you see greys, no matter if they're 10 or 20.. they'll be in one team and period.
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oh so i should install FRAPS, get in a morning siege, record, mixdown avi, upload on youtube, make a thread about it? no thanks.. i just finish my coffee and go back to work leaving the kids play in x5.
pity we have really few admins.
good idea. we all put on a scimitar on grey background banner so we play siege with team 1 full and team 2 empty. genius!
Instead you rather bitching on the forum...
as said overdriven what you said doesn't work, but it seems you could find everything to explain the fact that you lose and that this guys beat you like a noob.
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you have your eternal x5, fine... you even want people to shut up?
Yes actually. STFU and either join a clan, or be quiet and deal with it. FFS.
So tired of pubbies, losners and random plebs bitching about clans and teamwork. It's not just this game either, this same bitchfest happens in any team-based pvp game when there's clans rolling servers against non-clanners.
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good idea. we all put on a scimitar on grey background banner so we play siege with team 1 full and team 2 empty. genius!
That is NOT how banner balance works...
If people don't understand how BB works then stop making shit up ffs.
This game supports clans. This game has a large amount of it dedicated to clans such as strat and the clan forum. If you don't like it, stop playing cRPG if you are so insanely stubborn as to refuse to play on one of the servers with BB turned off. At the very least NA has several of these servers like the NA 50 man community server...
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Yes actually. STFU and either join a clan, or be quiet and deal with it. FFS.
So tired of pubbies, losners and random plebs bitching about clans and teamwork. It's not just this game either, this same bitchfest happens in any team-based pvp game when there's clans rolling servers against non-clanners.
oh please... what's wrong with you? you're like a chihuahua hooked on my heel... just leave me...
yeah teamwork > skill. that explain your style a lot...
i'm so tired of noskill mestruated suckers complaining about that abstract elitism among 2handers... and so what? i don't troll you in every f*ckin thread about it. i'm actually in a clan beaten by mercs in finals at the last EU tournament. pity we're not 80... so no public server rapetrain fashion for us. i'll not stfu because exploiting every single flaw of cRPG (and spec join spec join spec join is abusing a flaw) shouldn't be the said cRPG attitude.
Instead you rather bitching on the forum...
as said overdriven what you said doesn't work, but it seems you could find everything to explain the fact that you lose and that this guys beat you like a noob.
it does work. i tried it myself one time to stay in team with cicero and it works. so go test and share FACTS instead mindless trolling.
That is NOT how banner balance works...
If people don't understand how BB works then stop making shit up ffs.
This game supports clans. This game has a large amount of it dedicated to clans such as strat and the clan forum. If you don't like it, stop playing cRPG if you are so insanely stubborn as to refuse to play on one of the servers with BB turned off. At the very least NA has several of these servers like the NA 50 man community server...
so ok cRPG is.. playing 24 7 with clanmates and teamspeak rapetraining public servers. and as you say it's mandatory.
this is pointless... lets settle this here. i'll go f*ck off shutting the f*ck up and you all trollt*rds go enjoy rapetrains with either bannerbalance or by exploiting autobalance. have a nice weekend.
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it does work. i tried it myself one time to stay in team with cicero and it works. so go test and share FACTS instead mindless trolling.
You got lucky. 99% of the time it doesn't work at all. I have tried it many times in the past and it doesn't work as have many people I know.
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You got lucky. 99% of the time it doesn't work at all. I have tried it many times in the past and it doesn't work as have many people I know.
it works at map start. the server let join 5 attackers, then 5 defenders, then again 5 attackers, and so on. if you click join while server "opens" for one team, you will go there. if you miss the timing, go spec and repeat. it works. believe me. and then after autobalance do his work at round end, if you get switched, you can try every now and then to spec and rejoin. by the end of the second round, in a way or another, you can stack a clan even if the banners are 50% of the players in that server.
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:rolleyes: yawning :rolleyes:
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oh please... what's wrong with you? you're like a chihuahua hooked on my heel... just leave me...
Hmm, last post I directed at you was over 60 days ago... Someone has a warped sense of time to go along with their ego :rolleyes:
yeah teamwork > skill. that explain your style a lot...
Which style? This gen I'm back to 18/18 polearm with a pike and long bardiche... Or did you mean last gen when I was 18/18 2her with mancleaver? OH, the gen before where I was 1h/polearm/shield hybrid? :rolleyes:
i'm so tired of noskill mestruated suckers complaining
Then stop posting. Duh.
about that abstract elitism among 2handers... and so what? [/quote]
Noone mentioned anything about 2h elitism. Have you taken your meds lately? Damn.
so ok cRPG is.. playing 24 7 with clanmates and teamspeak rapetraining public servers. and as you say it's mandatory.
Replace cRPG with the title of ANY competitive PVP/FPS/RTS game. Yes. Join a clan or STFU. Pubbies and losners need to deal with it and stop crying. OR JOIN A CLAN. It's that simple. This applies to ANY team-based FPS/RTS/PVP game. ALL OF THEM.
have a nice weekend.
Thanks, you too.
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you're like a chihuahua .......i'm so tired of noskill mestruated suckers ....every f*ckin ...rapetrain ...stfu ...mindless trolling.... i'll go f*ck off shutting the f*ck up and you all trollt*rds go enjoy rapetrains
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....So much anger in him there is....
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I get plenty of x5's and the banner I go with isn't used by any clan. So...bad luck?
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Yes actually. STFU and either join a clan, or be quiet and deal with it. FFS.
So tired of pubbies, losners and random plebs bitching about clans and teamwork. It's not just this game either, this same bitchfest happens in any team-based pvp game when there's clans rolling servers against non-clanners.
Well that is an issue in every competitive online game as you pointed out. But you're wrong on one thing, clans should fight clans not clans vs pubs. That's why every game should have separate clan vs clan (organized fights with teamwork) and pub fights where doesn't matter what clan you are, where are all equal. Sadly that's not the case in most games. Pub games are made FOR HAVING FUN, if you want to play serious go to serious competitive modes where organized groups of players play.
Playing with your buddies on ventrillo/teamspeak and destroying teams made of random folks isn't something one should brag about. Bunch of crappiest players where one has half a brain can destroy any random team without proper communication tools.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, you are grown up person unlike most players in online games who are kids organized in clans who's main satisfaction comes from defeating bunch of random middle age folks who are too busy to be part of a gaming clan/guild.
I'm in a clan btw and have no problem with clans stacking in this game but in some games it was obvious that there are many kiddo's who's main objective is to harass random players while in clan vs clan fights they are the biggest pussies you've ever seen.
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Well that is an issue in every competitive online game as you pointed out. But you're wrong on one thing, clans should fight clans not clans vs pubs. That's why every game should have separate clan vs clan (organized fights with teamwork) and pub fights where doesn't matter what clan you are, where are all equal. Sadly that's not the case in most games. Pub games are made FOR HAVING FUN, if you want to play serious go to serious competitive modes where organized groups of players play.
Playing with your buddies on ventrillo/teamspeak and destroying teams made of random folks isn't something one should brag about. Bunch of crappiest players where one has half a brain can destroy any random team without proper communication tools.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, you are grown up person unlike most players in online games who are kids organized in clans who's main satisfaction comes from defeating bunch of random middle age folks who are too busy to be part of a gaming clan/guild.
I'm in a clan btw and have no problem with clans stacking in this game but in some games it was obvious that there are many kiddo's who's main objective is to harass random players while in clan vs clan fights they are the biggest pussies you've ever seen.
you really got the point. that's what my brain would be proud to elaborate.
but other than this, players looks for easy x5 so.. clans swarm public servers with the aid of the best cRPG feature (banner balance in public servers) just to eat some middleage lazy pubbers (like me).
....So much anger in him there is....
still here? i'm sure a public half-empty siege server awaits your commanding and autobalance exploiting skills.
only one thing Tot. i respect your clan members for tactic and playing skills, nice attitude and all... but i never saw you and your guys playing in some battle servers where mercs/pecores/templars/pillagers and other above-average skilled players usually go.
so the cases are two. or you really like to go grief in low populated average skill public siege servers, or you really don't want to put effort in your game by facing opponents of similar skill.
this apply even to gorath and the other "this is a clan-based game! fu pubber!" lobbysts
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Well that is an issue in every competitive online game as you pointed out. But you're wrong on one thing, clans should fight clans not clans vs pubs. That's why every game should have separate clan vs clan (organized fights with teamwork) and pub fights where doesn't matter what clan you are, where are all equal. Sadly that's not the case in most games. Pub games are made FOR HAVING FUN, if you want to play serious go to serious competitive modes where organized groups of players play.
Playing with your buddies on ventrillo/teamspeak and destroying teams made of random folks isn't something one should brag about. Bunch of crappiest players where one has half a brain can destroy any random team without proper communication tools.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, you are grown up person unlike most players in online games who are kids organized in clans who's main satisfaction comes from defeating bunch of random middle age folks who are too busy to be part of a gaming clan/guild.
I'm in a clan btw and have no problem with clans stacking in this game but in some games it was obvious that there are many kiddo's who's main objective is to harass random players while in clan vs clan fights they are the biggest pussies you've ever seen.
Except the vast majority of crpg is clans. So most maps end up a few clans vs a few clans with some pubbies sandwiched in there. That's all very well for games where pubbys are the majority or at least a large portion, but it is the other way around here.
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Why did you move my legitimate complaint thread to the spam section? It was not intended as SPAM, and I did not even reply to all the people posting?
So does the community really not care about those people who just play and are not in a clan? You do realize that the future of this mod is new players do you not? What good does it do treating them like dirt?
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You do realize that the future of this mod is new players do you not?
False, the future of this mod is time (that devs have) and chadz will.
If one day he wakes up and he's fed up of this, he could just stop everything, no more database...
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False, the future of this mod is time (that devs have) and chadz will.
If one day he wakes up and he's fed up of this, he could just stop everything, no more database...
but still.. if chadz and devs still believe in the "80% of playerbase are the casual one" thing (as stated by chadz about raising game speed thread) but at the same time still leave the big clans "lobby" doing as they want, i really can't get it.
to one side, mechanics rebalanced for a casual/newbie-friendly environment, to the other side, keeping safe the big clans siege goldfarmers. (i'm pointing in general to the bannerbalance fanboys)
at the end, the "zomg guys! why we don't go swarm that half-empty server with our uber skillz, awesome tactics and glitchy construction site! for teh gold and teh lulz! RAPETRAIN CHOOCHOO" kiddos, will have it won again.
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only one thing Tot. i respect your clan members for tactic and playing skills, nice attitude and all... but i never saw you and your guys playing in some battle servers
Well, you don't play alot then since lot of Greys play on battle. Some of us just don't play battle at all (including me) because we have better things to do than waiting several minutes just to respawn in that pointless and boring tdm. :lol: