4# Not possible to do any tactics (only ranged camping) just as boring for both sides.That's your tactic even on EU servers. I remember when HRE attacked and they ended up using tactics and getting 2 villages
then get a mix of both na/eu players in your clan and let them fight in their own timezonesAs one of very few clans fallen have a mix, i rather be in a clan where i can actually play with my members.
As one of very few clans fallen have a mix, i rather be in a clan where i can actually play with my members.
as of now you all have used this point over and over. A split is the ONLY solution because cRPG should be FUN to play.
And even Strategus battles should be FUN to play, and its not now.
As one of very few clans fallen have a mix, i rather be in a clan where i can actually play with my members.I find it both fun and possible to play with members in a global clan. But even if you think having NA members in your clan is boring or impossible to play with, you can still just ally with an NA clan until the separated version of Strategus shows its face. The reason we keep making this suggestion over and over again is because it's far more valid than a straight out refusal to work with NA clans/members.
as of now you all have used this point over and over. A split is the ONLY solution because cRPG should be FUN to play.
And even Strategus battles should be FUN to play, and its not now.
P.S. Launching the corpses of fallen comrades would be more amusing to me.
That's cool, but how about you let the guy who gets paid to make jokes online keep making the jokes.
We should increase your pay as incentive, or fire you and find a better joker.
Guys this is BETA test.
I guess BETA TESTING is slightly different then PLAYING final version.
I am pretty sure that it's much better for testing Strategus when both EU and NA play together.
As for me I do hope that EU and NA will be separated, cause it's really no fun playing on NA serversas well as having NA neighboors
Ok, lets see:
The pluses:
+Both NA and EU can have good pings in battles
+Both NA and EU can enjoy normal times for battles
+No need to make a larger map since for now there will be enough space for clans
+Map wont be overcrowded
+No need to have backstabbing neighbours around...
The minuses:
-EU can't kick NA's ass :(
-Smaller community for each shard
Mmmm..I am undecided....
Ok, lets see:Just remembered the bordeline thingie. Would much rather have that but WAY bigger maps. And also make the line changing depending on which continent having the most members/land/troops/gold/small fluffy dogs.
The pluses:
+Both NA and EU can have good pings in battles
+Both NA and EU can enjoy normal times for battles
+No need to make a larger map since for now there will be enough space for clans
+Map wont be overcrowded
+No need to have backstabbing neighbours around...
The minuses:
-EU can't kick NA's ass :(
-Smaller community for each shard
Mmmm..I am undecided....Maybe chadz' idea of the ping borderline is better? It only needs a bigger map.
Though, as a temporary measure this can do
but don't lose your hope lolLol he thinks it's funny to stay awake all night and fight with ping 180? You just wait till some nuts NA clan(or alliance of 10-20 clans) backstabs you. Then we will see how funny it is going to be for you.
Playing mostly on NA from Sweden I would say no. You cant split the communities because you assume everyone absolutely wants to play in their region...
I'm glad everyone is starting to realize how essential this is for the sake of making strategus not a god-awful miserable experience.
Go check out the old strat posts in the TW forums. There was quite a number of vocal strat players that saw the need for the split even back then.
EU and NA just don't mix when it comes to gaming. Not until we get this whole space/time/ping continuum mastered and under control anyways.
You know this solves almost nothing? I'd still plan my battles at really shitty hours for my enemy. some people will still have bad ping. All it does it make it so there are two strategus's, I'd play in both of them and I think most people would. Bad ping or not.
Not only all of that, but there would be no battles at all. UIF on one server, NE on another.. boring.
You know this solves almost nothing? I'd still plan my battles at really shitty hours for my enemy. some people will still have bad ping. All it does it make it so there are two strategus's, I'd play in both of them and I think most people would. Bad ping or not.
Not only all of that, but there would be no battles at all. UIF on one server, NE on another.. boring.
I feel the need to repeat myself. For those of you that don't already know, chadz already realizes this particular issue is a problem. However, his plan to resolve it is not to separate the communities, but separate the server preference via different sides of the map. This makes a lot more sense than 2 maps, so I don't see him changing his mind about this. The real problem is not convincing him to do something about the EU and NA ping and timing problem, but to convince him to hurry up and do it already. I don't see any need to wait till the next version of strategus to implement this change.^
You know this solves almost nothing? I'd still plan my battles at really shitty hours for my enemy.You could always try not being a bundle of sticks. I know, crazy concept.
You could always try not being a bundle of sticks. I know, crazy concept.
Mercs had 4 fights today and in at least 3 of them we had so many disconnect from the server that they affected the end result.
This bull have to stop. 7 ppl disconnected and could not get in for a long time, then disconnects again.
Some ppl left after that also.
Disconnects should not affect the tickets.
If these disconnects are because of lag due to NA server then its even another valid point to separate NA and EU
By the way, I don't give a fuck about your family. I'm going to do what works for me because I'm playing the game for me and not to make sure your daughter gets tucked in bed at night and while daddy gets to play his games because he can't decide between being a parent and chilling on Teamspeak with other spergy bundle of stickss. Grow up.
Where the fuck did that come from, he never mentioned it....You're right, like it's not his place to call people bundle of stickss for playing the game differently?
Seriously, wtf. Not your place to say how some stranger conducts his/her personal life especially when you know nothing about said stranger. Way to be a massive dick.
Mercs had 4 fights today and in at least 3 of them we had so many disconnect from the server that they affected the end result.
This bull have to stop. 7 ppl disconnected and could not get in for a long time, then disconnects again.
Some ppl left after that also.
Disconnects should not affect the tickets.
If these disconnects are because of lag due to NA server then its even another valid point to separate NA and EU
Where the fuck did that come from, he never mentioned it....
Seriously, wtf. Not your place to say how some stranger conducts his/her personal life especially when you know nothing about said stranger. Way to be a massive dick.
You're right, like it's not his place to call people bundle of stickss for playing the game differently?
oh he is a bundle of sticks
Tell me why it is a dick move. Explain to me how it is a dick move and I will yield and cease believing that you're a complete moron. I'll stop thinking that at every waking moment, there is a high probability of a long dribble of drool dangling from your lower lip.
Gorath, for the love of god, prove me wrong without Hurf A Derfin' about goons.
Keep the thread on target.:\ Why you gotta stop our fun?
Well for starters, your post was considered enough of a dick move that the mods deleted it, where as his post is still here...
Or maybe the mods keep deleting your posts and giving you warnings because they are tired of your inane bullshit you spam everywhere...
Keep the thread on target. It's about a NA/EU split. Not some troll and Gorath.
If a server split isn't going to change the issue then why bother? Why waste the effort even toying with the idea when you could spend the time thinking about closing up security holes, balance issues, and whatever else needs done during beta before helping some dudes catch a little sleep?For one, splitting NA/EU would take far far far less time and effort. chadz could probably get that done in an hour or two tbh. It would then allow for MORE battles and usage of everything in strat, which would allow for an even faster pace of testing/feedback. Rather than the shitty middle of the night with terrible ping lolwtfhappened roflstomps going on now that a fairly significant amount of players seem to disdain. Of course you don't give a shit what they feel about it, because it's all about you and your ability to be a complete asshat.
I like the idea which chadz is putting forth but with one change, like if NA goes into EU territory and take and hold the village for like 10 days, the the server preference should go to NA, same if EU takes over NA territory; of course the preference could be changed back if another owner hold it for 10 days.
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I like the idea which chadz is putting forth but with one change, like if NA goes into EU territory and take and hold the village for like 10 days, the the server preference should go to NA, same if EU takes over NA territory; of course the preference could be changed back if another owner hold it for 10 days.
And what stop ppl to attack you a strange hours, if it's what they want?
Enemy players walk through me, my weapon passes through enemies without hitting, feinting and manual blocking becomes almost impossible, etc.
2) Ping:
Playing with 150+ ping breaks this game. Enemy players walk through me, my weapon passes through enemies without hitting, feinting and manual blocking becomes almost impossible, etc.
Wasn't one of the suggestions to make it only possible to attack in peakish hours? So probably from around 5pm - 11pm GMT +0 (just rough guessing). That would at least help. Yes there would still be some timezone issues, but at least it would limit them a bit more.
I am not sure how well that would work considering NA covers 7 timezones.All NA could move to a compound located in the dead centre of NA so they can be gay together and not complain about ping.
I am not sure how well that would work considering NA covers 7 timezones.
I am not sure how well that would work considering NA covers 7 timezones.
(Overdriven, was that BFE-WaW?)
sigh.... the idiotic mind of the c-rpg community.
First, if you are the owner of a clan and are only EU go to NA and recuit. That way you can have TWO!!!! Peaks! And NA fighters fight on their zone and Eu fights in theirs
Second, If you are being attacked in the middle of the night, atleast you have good ping because you get the ping selection, + they have crap ping and youre tired with good ping. It balances out
Third, actually think, because when i fight in EU start servers i have 170 ping + im the above average player with a sword and shield, and i manage to do just fine when i listen to orders INSTEAD of trying to be the hero cutting down and slaying the enemies. USE teamwork. If you have crap ping always fight together NEVER duel. AND USE RANGE!
Sadly not many people will actualy try steps 1 and 3 because all they care about is who can whine the loudest.
Yeah I played in....hmm like 10 and 11 and then skipped a couple and came back and lead Charlie Co in 15 and Sturm company in 16 i think?
I was Toolindor there and Leithlen (also here in crpg) was ToolMaster
Also did some graphics for them...
I miss it from time to time...but def dont have time for 12 hr battles these days haha.
sigh.... the idiotic mind of the c-rpg community.Which you're a part of, way to go.
First, if you are the owner of a clan and are only EU go to NA and recuit. That way you can have TWO!!!! Peaks! And NA fighters fight on their zone and Eu fights in theirsYeah, two clans. That makes sense - it's basically like splitting, no?
Second, If you are being attacked in the middle of the night, atleast you have good ping because you get the ping selection, + they have crap ping and youre tired with good ping. It balances outAnd you're tired for the rest of the day, since you have to be up all night.
Third, actually think, because when i fight in EU start servers i have 170 ping + im the above average player with a sword and shield, and i manage to do just fine when i listen to orders INSTEAD of trying to be the hero cutting down and slaying the enemies. USE teamwork. If you have crap ping always fight together NEVER duel. AND USE RANGE!Thanks for your awesome tips, it's so much fun when you have to gank up every time and "NEVER" duel - AND shoot people from range.
Sadly not many people will actualy try steps 1 and 3 because all they care about is who can whine the loudest.Yeah, it's not the purpose but the whining we find funny. Sure.
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Which you're a part of, way to go.He's not saying two clans, he's saying to make your clan global. And Strategus isn't about dueling. His 3rd point is the most important one to learn that pretty much nobody here will bother learning. Kastellan seems to have confused bullshit with accuracy.
Yeah, two clans. That makes sense - it's basically like splitting, no?
And you're tired for the rest of the day, since you have to be up all night.
Thanks for your awesome tips, it's so much fun when you have to gank up every time and "NEVER" duel - AND shoot people from range.
Yeah, it's not the purpose but the whining we find funny. Sure.
Ok, lets see:
The pluses:
+Both NA and EU can have good pings in battles
+Both NA and EU can enjoy normal times for battles
+No need to make a larger map since for now there will be enough space for clans
+Map wont be overcrowded
+No need to have backstabbing neighbours around...
The minuses:
-EU can't kick NA's ass :(
-Smaller community for each shard
Mmmm..I am undecided....Maybe chadz' idea of the ping borderline is better? It only needs a bigger map.
Though, as a temporary measure this can do
We seem to make it work just fine. I'm against the split. It would def. split up our clan.
What I don't understand is why you guys think that having a global clan splits the clan into? Or why you believe you will never get to play with them?
I love my EU clanmates and I play with them just about everyday, as there is a pretty good time frame where EU and NA are on at the same time. This doesn't even include the weekends where I see them most of the day at training. The best part is that at any given time I can expect someone to be on TS to play with. So if I come home drunkenly (which seems to happen often) at 4:00+ am EST one weekend and want to play some c-rpg my EU friends will be there to hear me make an ass of myself.
It is true I don't get to play with everyone, but we have passive chat like forums specifically so I can keep up with the ones who I don't get to play with often.
If nothing else it has been at least a culturally eye opening experience; something I believe everyone should at least try before we decide a split is necessary.
Actually, I think Fallens are very biased in this. Since they are the only one that have both NA and EU members, they are privileged in current situation.
Split the servers, and disregard whatever Tears is saying, he is biased, and what he says is bullshit.
If you deliberately only hire on one side of the fence and not both, then of course you will run into problems. Seriously, why not adapt too?Well Fallen has a very high proportion of archers in the clan, probably the class least affected by ping differences. It may make it easier for you guys to play together regardless of server, but generally I enjoy actually playing with my clanmates, something that likely wouldn't happen in the average clan.
Because we are not nolifers that spend 24/7 playing Warband. There are only so many timeslots when the clan can gather on ts and play together.
And I am glad you admit you are biased, being Fallen and NA. Now, I would kindly ask you to stop pulling "arguments" outta your butt, and say it loudly that you prefer servers to stay joint because this option suits you personally.
Well Fallen has a very high proportion of archers in the clan, probably the class least affected by ping differences. It may make it easier for you guys to play together regardless of server, but generally I enjoy actually playing with my clanmates, something that likely wouldn't happen in the average clan.
NA guy: "hey what's everyone up to?"
EU guy: "playing siege on the EU server"
NA guy: "oh well I get 180 ping over there. Want to come over to NA_Battle_Community?"
EU guy: "sorry, I get 220 ping on that server"
NA guy: "..."
EU guy: "..."
It's nothing against being a global clan in theory, but in practice it just isn't as enjoyable due to ping. I'd rather deal with the problems of 'shift coverage' than feel a part of only half a clan. Given the option of splitting though I'd take it. Would still be great if there was a way to join battles with other sides though, again I like to see people I never play against.
We are not saying that your clan doesnt work, but that we should be able to get sleep, have fun, and play strategus without HAVING to do what your clan does. I don't feel any great desire to go to EU server, fight with horrible ping, just to recruit a bunch of EU players when everyone I play with every day is an NA player and fights on NA servers because its not really fun to fight with 200 ping and gets old really fast. It works for you - great- you guys can be in the middle of the 2 continents, but please for the love of god don't force everyone else to be like you because you don't want to lose your advantage over non-multicontinent clans.
We don't do anything different other than our Faction Thread says [Recruiting NA and EU]. Regardless, I was just trying to encourage people to try it. I cant force anything on anyone. I'm just trying to understand why there is so much resistance to multi-continental clans. If everyone did this we would lose our advantage right?
The only way this will work if you have two separate Strats is if you have that previously mentioned "Only attacks during prime hours" are possible, but then that will just choke Strat as there are not enough prime time hours to satisfy that many players. *shrugs*
Split 'em already.
Actually, I think Fallens are very biased in this. Since they are the only one that have both NA and EU members, they are privileged in current situation.
Split the servers, and disregard whatever Tears is saying, he is biased, and what he says is bullshit.
The same can be said about you and your clan.
You're EU only, so you're biased towards a split.
I see I hit the nerve, so let me explain. It didn't bother me the fact that he IS biased, or that there are clans that do well in current situation. What bothered me were gayish arguments such as: NA and EU styles are different, we have a lot to learn from each other, blah, blah, blah.. when, in fact, he has personal interest for not having servers split. When someone says: I don't want to get up at 5.00 AM to play, for me that is serious argument. When someone says that we should be global because NA and EU playstyles are different, that is an argument coming from that persons butt, given in order to present the this person as unbiased and having only interests of community in mind.
So its 2-4 clans vs the whole community, I bet that fallens will win this one.
I see I hit the nerve, so let me explain. It didn't bother me the fact that he IS biased, or that there are clans that do well in current situation. What bothered me were gayish arguments such as: NA and EU styles are different, we have a lot to learn from each other, blah, blah, blah.. when, in fact, he has personal interest for not having servers split. When someone says: I don't want to get up at 5.00 AM to play, for me that is serious argument. When someone says that we should be global because NA and EU playstyles are different, that is an argument coming from that persons butt, given in order to present the this person as unbiased and having only interests of community in mind.
To be fair, Ramses, the time difference argument has been re-iterated so many times already. It's a clear sign of what people feel about the current Strat situation.
But as Overdriven stated, any arguments after that one post chadz made is just simply redundant.
I haven't said anything about the time difference argument as far as i can see. I just stated Corwin is just as biased as Tears.
What did chadz say?
ah, yeah it would seem this thread is kinda moot then...
wonder if it will just be a line in the sand or diff continents like some have mentioned...
ah, yeah it would seem this thread is kinda moot then...At least you understand. I made this point as the 3rd post in this thread. Then the next 2 pages are mostly people just signing on the OP. Hell, 11 pages later, it seems like the majority of the community still doesn't get it yet.
wonder if it will just be a line in the sand or diff continents like some have mentioned...