Nerf Longbow and Crossbows (And give back old textures on bows!)

[Magikarp]

After another week of testing:

Longbow is the new number 1 bow, and a masterwork one with a 9 pd build and 149 wpf is gonna hurt, a lot.

The Arbalest is ridiculously accurate for the damage that it does, I can't imagine how accurate it is at MW level.
Dave with 168 wpf almost onehit me when I wore a Lordly Kuyak+plate mittens.

The servers I've been on lately are all infested with Longbows and Arbalests. Ranged spam has returned and its getting ridiculous, the team with the most longbows and arbalests just wins most of the time.

I suggest both get a damage nerf, I think xbow accuracy is fine if damage is lowered.

~Fishy

[Malaclypse]

I know a few dudes who still choose Warbow over Longbow to heirloom, and I also feel that there is a reasonable trade-off between damage, firing speed, and accuracy. Maybe it's not just stats that made them choose Warbow over Longbow, also

I would be down for a new bow being added with Warbows old skin, or just giving the old skin back.

[Native_ATS]

Longbow is the new number 1 bow, and a masterwork one with a 9 pd build and 149 wpf is gonna hurt, a lot. The Warbow however does crap damage and everyone is dumping it.

I suggest these bows get tweaked so the Warbow is finally a good choice, the Strongbow and especially the Longbow are simply better atm!

~Fishy

no, warbow is fine. If you go 9pd 149wpf the war bow pwns all other bows
long is great vs tin cans, shit vs range and agi builds
warbow is good vs all do to rate of fire and damg

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

my only gripe with it it that it two shots even with heavy armor and if in the legs! op or not? dunno but i dont find it fun! (+ the ninja jump round preparing the shot in the air...)
makes it a bit unfair compared to my dedicated xbower that deals as much damage with an arbalest wich takes far longer to reload, cant shoot as far and cant move while reloading.

well im off before i get all the archer rage in meh face saying I'm QQing

[Tears of Destiny]

makes it a bit unfair compared to my dedicated xbower that deals as much damage with an arbalest wich takes far longer to reload, cant shoot as far and cant move while reloading.

well im off before i get all the archer rage in meh face saying I'm QQing

Nice, let us compare the wpf I put into my bow, then the wpf you put into your crossbow. the same? Cool...
How many skill points do I put into stuff like Power Draw, and how much do you... oh wait... 

Everything has drawbacks and advantages.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

I'm a dedicated xbower, so  like you pointed out we must have same wpf (mine is at 151)

yea your right for a hybrib, no points to be invested! but when it comes to firing, you more efficient with that longbow then me with my arbalest. and iv hardly got any better fighting capacities then you (not talking about skill)!

[kukufarikki]

Nice, let us compare the wpf I put into my bow, then the wpf you put into your crossbow. the same? Cool...
How many skill points do I put into stuff like Power Draw, and how much do you... oh wait... 

Everything has drawbacks and advantages.

Even dedicated crossbowmen will be doing worse than a dedicated longbowman. Like you said, we don't have any skill points to assign, and if we did we would be one-shotting everything with our Arbalests. After trying out a dedicated archer skip to 30 character with a longbow, that thing needs to be nerfed to non-existance, as it can fire at least three arrows in the time it takes to reload an Arbalest and does as much damage if you are dedicated, and only has half the repair cost.

[Lichen]

no, warbow is fine. If you go 9pd 149wpf the war bow pwns all other bows
long is great vs tin cans, shit vs range and agi builds
warbow is good vs all do to rate of fire and damg

I recently learned that using the longbow vs distant targets is pretty much a bad idea (though my wpf isn't that high). I think I went through most my arrows without even getting one hit. The warbow on the other hand is very good against distant targets.

my only gripe with it it that it two shots even with heavy armor and if in the legs! op or not? dunno but i dont find it fun! (+ the ninja jump round preparing the shot in the air...)
makes it a bit unfair compared to my dedicated xbower that deals as much damage with an arbalest wich takes far longer to reload, cant shoot as far and cant move while reloading.

well im off before i get all the archer rage in meh face saying I'm QQing

Archer probably had high powerdraw.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

I recently learned that using the longbow vs distant targets is pretty much a bad idea (though my wpf isn't that high). I think I went through most my arrows without even getting one hit. The warbow on the other hand is very good against distant targets.

isnt longbow suppose to be a long range weapon?

oh yea people in lordly milanese plate get two shot by longbow 

[Lichen]

isnt longbow suppose to be a long range weapon?

oh yea people in lordly milanese plate get two shot by longbow 

IDK I'm fine with how accurate (or inaccurate) the longbow is. I know realism is not the ultimate thing when it comes to balancing a game but IRL they were used in 'volley' fire and I don't think they were super accurate. Powerful though? Yes. However 2 shots taking out a lordly milanese wearer does seem pretty ridiculous. I agree. If there was a way to have plate armors basically be invulnerable to archers it would be something to try. I know a lot of archers wouldn't like that much realism though.

[Magikarp]

Come on, it's pretty obvious, all archers are moving unto the longbow, mostly because it's pretty damn accurate at the Masterwork stage.
I could imagine 2 fixes: Buff Warbow damage and nerf Longbow damage or remove accuracy bonus from looms.

And the new textures suck, please bring back the old ones, they looked much better!

[Bulzur]

Actually, archers with longbow tend to get owned by archers with warbow, providing the same skill.
So yes, longbow is a tincan killer (well, more than the other cutting bows, that's sure) but the warbow is FAR from needing a buff.

For all xbows user whining about archery :

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L2p. Gurnisson and Poophammer are doing perfectly fine with their absolute accuracy at even long range, and less than 1sec reload speed at 160 and more wpf. And did you know Arbalest needs 15 str while the Longbow/warbow needs 18 ? Wow, that's actually 3 more agi point, so a lot more effective wpf in the same level. (going in melee or xbow).

Xbowers, try real xbow build with no melee weapons, no PS, no IF (same vulnerability as dedicated archers to melee) and then you can compare your reload/firing speed/accuracy with an archer. And guess what, you win with your heirloomed items too ! Stop complaining. And stop speaking about an undesired subject in a topic speaking of BOWS only, it makes you look like noob ragers.

Edit : Gurnisson, what armor are you wearing ? Poophammer told me that at 181 wpf, naked, it takes less than 1sec for his MW arbalest. :S Was probably exagerated and it's less than 3sec, wich is still perfectly fine imo.^^

[Tears of Destiny]

Actually, archers with longbow tend to get owned by archers with warbow, providing the same skill.
So yes, longbow is a tincan killer (well, more than the other cutting bows, that's sure) but the warbow is FAR from needing a buff.

For all xbows user whining about archery :

(click to show/hide)

L2p. Gurnisson and Poophammer are doing perfectly fine with their absolute accuracy at even long range, and less than 1sec reload speed at 160 and more wpf. And did you know Arbalest needs 15 str while the Longbow/warbow needs 18 ? Wow, that's actually 3 more agi point, so a lot more effective wpf in the same level. (going in melee or xbow).

Xbowers, try real xbow build with no melee weapons, no PS, no IF (same vulnerability as dedicated archers to melee) and then you can compare your reload/firing speed/accuracy with an archer. And guess what, you win with your heirloomed items too ! Stop complaining. And stop speaking about an undesired subject in a topic speaking of BOWS only, it makes you look like noob ragers.

What he said. A build that is entirely focused on range will do very well with a crossbow as it will with a bow. Most of the people I see who complain about "xbows unfair lag behind" have "wasted" points in powerstrike and other rubbish things that us archers don't have the points to spend on. Dark Karma does perfectly fine with the Arbalest, so can you...

As for the Longbow being better then the Warbow, I do agree with a lot of people that right now the Warbow could use a little more attention, either add a point more of damage to the Warbow or subtract one from the Longbow, something to make it a bit more appealing to use the more expensive "best" bow. I still prefer the Warbow though because it can actually defend itself against even Strongbow users, where as I don't have to try particularly hard to defeat or chase off a Longbow user in an archer duel.

Right now the Warbow offers an interesting compromise between the Strongbow and the Longbow, but it does need to be bolstered somehow (with either a very small nerf to LB or a very small buff to WB) as it does lag a little behind in my eyes.

[Gurnisson]

Gurnisson and Poophammer are doing perfectly fine with their absolute accuracy at even long range, and less than 1sec reload speed at 160 and more wpf.

Crossbowmen are strong and deadly accurate at high wpf investment, so you've got a fair point, but the reload speed you're talking about is so way off. I'm standing with my ass up in the air for at least three seconds when reloading a MW Arbalest with 180 wpf, when archers can reload their bow on the move. Archers work in the open, crossbowmen don't. Archers and crossbowmen have different playstyles, different positive and negative things comes with them.

[Duerkos]

In my clan, Hanzo uses the warbow and he sometimes top the scores. He excels at aiming from a long distance, and at close distance he usually does headshots.

If I end on the other team usually Hanzo slaughters me and my Long Bow.