Rebalancing of New Polearms

[Jona]

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Case 1: The Latene

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Based purely on its model, you'd assume the latene would be something similar to the war spear, but perhaps with a focus on swing damage instead of a strong stab, similar to the flambard/flamberge 2handers. Maybe instead of being compared to the war spear, it would be more accurate to compare it to the svaerdstav and light glaive as those are already more focused on their 4d usefulness. Stat-wise, it is currently a weaker version of both. It is shorter and slower than the svaerdstav, does less stab damage vs. the averagely armored target, has the same swing damage (despite having a far more imposing model), is 0.1kg heavier (not that much of a big deal tbh), is for some reason harder to use (15 difficulty as opposed to 12), and perhaps worst of all, it can't even rear a horse due to having a cut damage stab. A spear, that can't rear a horse and has one of the worst stabs in the game... nice. Compared to the light glaive (which has a clear focus on swinging vs. stabbing), it is moderately longer, 0.2kg heavier, requires 1 more str to use, has the same swing speed, a stab that is still probably worse than the glaive's "weak" 22p stab, and it does 5 less swing damage.

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Imo, the stats on the latene should be somewhat of a mix between the svaerdstav and the light glaive to give hoplites a decently strong option to fight with should they choose to sheathe/drop their shield. Perhaps something like the following would work and give players a reason to use this potentially cool new weapon:

weapon length: 155
weight: 2.5
difficulty: 15
speed rating: 93
weapon length: 155
thrust damage: 23 or 24 pierce
swing damage: 36 cut (maybe 37 if stab is only 23p)
slots: 2

Case 2: The Yari

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I'm not gonna really go into as much detail on this one, as I think it simply needs some real tweaking before going ahead and trying to balance it. First of all, iirc it looked pretty bad in-game despite having a cool-looking render (shown above). Maybe it was just some weird shading glitch on my potato PC that made it look funny, but it basically looked like an item that had failed to load its texture and was pure black. However upon closer inspection you could barely make out the dark gray blade, and dull yellow accents. A bigger issue with the model that actually affects game balance is the model's length. As it stands it is the 3rd longest polearm (not including the great lances), sitting just behind the long spear (which is 25cm longer) and just above the bamboo spear (20cm shorter).

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The yari is 2 directional, for those that may not know, although I was told that it was supposed to be 4d at first. If this absurdly long wep is going to be 4d, it is gonna need some real stat changes. Until then, I guess it is actually fairly well balanced (although perhaps its a bit too fast as any other "long" 2d weps are a good deal slower), assuming it can't be used with a shield. If it can, then it kind of invalidates the bamboo spear as a gimmicky ultra-long hoplite weapon as the yari is as fast, with significantly more reach at the cost of only 1 stab damage (while gaining a lot more utility with its overhead). Looking at the model it might be assumed that it was meant to be something more similar to a naginata or hafted blade, in which case it'd need to be a good deal shorter to compare to, but it can work out as it stands with just a couple stat tweaks, imo.

Case 3: The Tiger Fork

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At first I thought this weapon was bad, being such a short 2d polearm, but when comparing it to the military fork and battle fork I realized it ain't so terrible after all, and it is a decent fit right between the two. Good job making the stats on this one. Only thing I would recommend is changing its name to the "Weab Fork."

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Tl;dr: New weapons/items should be added in an attempt to breathe new life into this mod, and seeing how these were the first new polearms in a while*, I was looking forward to their arrival. Unfortunately, their arrival kinda fell flat due to lackluster stats and in-game appearance. There is no real reason to use the latene atm due to being quite severely underpowered, nor the yari, due it to being a butt-ugly eyesore . The Tiger fork is the only "usable" new weapon added and to be fair the entire fork family of polearms has always been a bit of a niche anyways. On a side note, the prices of all of these may want to be adjusted a bit. For instance the yari would actually be a pretty good pick for a strat weapon, especially earlier in the round. As it stands it is nearly as cheap as the bamboo spear, but a good deal better. Looking at the model I would have assumed it'd be among the more expensive polearms, closer in price perhaps to the naginata. The latene looks a bit too fancy to be priced among the cheaper polearms, especially considering the flambard/flamberge are among the most expensive 2hs (and if it costs more then the proposed buffs shouldn't be as big of an issue). At the very least there is no reason why the yari is cheaper than the tiger fork.

*Other than the native american weapons REEEEEEEE

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

Hey i made the stats for the tiger fork! As for the yari, i wasnt aware of it ever even being considered as 4d, i was pretty surprised when it was 2d lol

[kasMVC]

yea you may have made the stats but they ugly as fuck no offense u ugly as fuck 2

[Rando]

CASE 4: REMOVE THEM BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS MORE SHITTY NEW ITEMS WHILE SOME ITEMS IN THE GAME STILL HAVE NO MODELS SEE: HUSSAR HELMET

[Yeldur]

Hey i made the stats for the tiger fork! As for the yari, i wasnt aware of it ever even being considered as 4d, i was pretty surprised when it was 2d lol

Lord god please don't make the Yari 4 directional that shit is retarded as fuck, just, no.

[Nightingale]

I only supported adding the Latene. but yeah these could use some work. I work too much so someone else can be harrassed to do this.

[WITCHCRAFT]

All 3 model renders look nice, has anyone else had issues with in-game rendering?

[Asheram]

While you are working on these can you bring back the old model for the red tassel spear?

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

While you are working on these can you bring back the old model for the red tassel spear?

and the old models for the great maul and long maul pls

[Jona]

and the old models for the great maul and long maul pls

At l east for the long maul, it'd be great to bring back the old model and make it a different wep tbh. Poles need a low-req crusthrough wep similar to the mallet or maul that 2hs have. Always been a niche that has yet to be filled in the polearm arsenal... the polehammer was destined to be the chosen one but alas it was turned into a shitty bec wannabe.

[Rando]

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[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

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this has literally nothing to do with item balance retard

[Nehvar]

All 3 model renders look nice, has anyone else had issues with in-game rendering?

Yeah...kinda.  The shared material for these new weapons lists bump/specular maps that are wrong.  That's probably where the complaints on appearance are coming from.

the hussar helmet has no model

Someone forgot to add the brf for the hussar helmets to the module.ini in the patcher input.  Either that or the patcher itself is buggy.  This can be fixed at the player-side by adding the line

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load_mod_resource = zimke_helmets to your module.ini.

[Jona]

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Yeah...kinda.  The shared material for these new weapons lists bump/specular maps that are wrong.  That's probably where the complaints on appearance are coming from.

Someone forgot to add the brf for the hussar helmets to the module.ini in the patcher input.  Either that or the patcher itself is buggy.  This can be fixed at the player-side by adding the line

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load_mod_resource = zimke_helmets to your module.ini.

Get this man an item adviser job already. He's been doing it for years anyways.

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

Get this man an item adviser job already. He's been doing it for years anyways.

I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain that Nehvar has dev access? It might be Plarbis I'm thinking of