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I was merely explaining to my good friend Oberyn who may or may not have been up to date on everything that has been stated here how there was confusion concerning the vote, and how merely having a vote doesn't alleviate any of the supposed frustration the devs are under, as you just admitted it was largely self-inflicted as you told us to vote between A and B, then went ahead and implemented C.
Follow your own advice pal. I'm also enjoying the fact that you are selectively ignoring the fact that I've said that all of this can change. Just so you can complain more.
I haven't ignored a single thing you've said. In essence, you've simply bashed my choice of words, disregarded any suggestions I've made, failed to answer proposed questions, and in short, have yet to supply an appropriate response that could further this discussion in a useful and productive manner. This approach of yours was met in kind and therefore the attempt at a discussion has led us nowhere. Needless to say the premature moving of this thread to the chamber of tears only hastened its descent into uselessness, and that act alone speaks volumes towards the apparent mental state of (at least one of the) devs here.
I asked you to PM me with the intent of a 1 on 1 civil discussion. I don't know if you're scared of talking to me all by yourself, or unsure whether you can be civil, but don't you worry, I don't bite.
Quite literally, if you do decide to PM me I'll drop all this unpleasant stuff I'm saying. I know I'm capable of doing that.
First discord, now PMs... once again,
HEAVEN FORBID WE DISCUSS CRPG BALANCING/CHANGES ON THE CRPG FORUMS!
There is nothing keeping us from a worthwhile debate on the forums, other than your mental block that apparently only allows you to commence civilized discussions in private. The more open the discussion, the better as anyone can chime in and we get access to multiple points of view and opposing opinions. Enough of this behind-closed-doors nonsense that crpg devs, both past and present are so used to. You're making big changes here with a whopping 20 or so pseudo-active players, why not let them all contribute should they please to? We've already had Asheram and Desire (and others, although not in the same capacity) throw in their two cents, which is two more than we would have had in PMs. If you're so convinced you can reset and start this discussion over, then I present to you my original post:
After this poll was conducted, people got excited to be able to do battle like it was the good old days again. The assumption that came along with that is that we'd all be able to use the same builds we had pre-patch of destiny, if not a more advanced one since some people may have accumulated enough xp to level up more since then. However, we instead are given a completely new leveling system with nothing but gimped versions of the characters we had grown accustomed to. Over 80% of the active community voted in favor of a revert, while no one voted for an entirely new xp system. If you're trying to do some partial-wipe bs, at least ask around a little bit on the forums here to get some feedback before just going ahead and pulling the trigger. If the apparent goal here is to revitalize the mod, then you should first and foremost focus on getting the vets to return, something that a wipe is likely not going to help with as much. A wipe favors newcomers, something it is highly doubtful we will ever see again unless we can draw back in the vets to maintain a decent population in the meantime.
Regardless of whether or not anything should even be wiped, if you're gonna do a partial wipe at least do the smarter (although still rather foolish) thing and take away all our looms while not touching our levels. Having just one more level makes all the difference in available playstyles, and by extension having 2 or 3 more is even more impactful. Players who were previously level 36 (pre-patch of destiny) are now level 33 at best, and leveling beyond that point is quite literally impossible. On the flip side, looms have almost no affect on the way you play whatsoever, they literally only make you artificially better by giving you an advantage in survivability, damage-dealing, etc. If someone is level 35 and running around in the same armor loomed and unloomed, nothing changes other than the fact they might be able to tank an extra hit when wearing it loomed. However if you've got someone running around at level 32 compared to 35, they'll be noticeably slower, or weaker, or outright unable to use the same items as the higher leveled version of themselves. The point I'm trying to make here, is ya done goofed. You took away our ability to customize our characters and play the way we want, ruined any hybridization opportunities that may have existed beforehand, and for what reason, exactly? In the hopes that you could attract some noobs who will still hop on and see people using looms and go crying back to native? If you want to help noobs, remove looms. If you want to keep vets from coming back, take away our levels.
Before anyone attempts to accuse me of "shit talking the mod while not even playing" I shall direct your attention to
this post of mine, made on a weekend, which alone shows that I was excited enough about the supposed "revert" that I logged on to download the patch, but instead made that post and played some rocket league after noticing the term revert doesn't mean the same thing to everyone, apparently.
To get this discussion rolling, a good template for a response would be:
"In regards to your first paragraph, [here is where you own up to your mistake instead of saying that me/the community made false assumptions about the poll's meaning*].
Concerning the second point, where you state that levels are more important than looms for the enjoyment of the mod for some people, I [agree/disagree and here's why]. Therefore, as for your suggestion that we wipe looms instead of levels as a soft reset, I must say that [we'll get right on that/we'd rather do X because Y].
Near the end, you ask what the purpose was of this level wipe, the intended purpose behind it was [explanation] which I'm sorry to see apparently removed much of the fun of crpg for you and perhaps others. How would you recommend we proceed from here?"
*seeing how one needn't make a single assumption about the meaning of 'Should levels be reverted to pre "Patch of Destiny"' as you could pull up a dictionary and find out exactly what that statement means. It isn't all that subjective.
Seeing how there was undoubtedly some snarkiness in my initial post, it wouldn't hurt too much to include some of your own in the response instead of keeping it as neatly tailored as the above template. However if you wish to keep things remotely civil, as the one with a reputation to uphold you shouldn't come firing back with something along the lines of your second post (keeping in mind that all of that shit talk prior to that post happened once the thread was moved to the forum section most appropriate for that behavior).
