samurais weapons

[Jazko]

Sigh. You just dont get it do you -.-

[Kenji]

The Myth of Thrusting versus Cutting Swords
By John Clements & Belinda Hertz

http://www.thearma.org/essays/thrusting_vs_cutting.html

Quote: "The Japanese katana, famous for its cutting power, is actually a fairly good thrusting sword as well and such techniques were especially taught for battlefield use against armor."

Funny how that quote is telling the truth in cRPG as well.



So Nodachi should have thrust while Katana's thrust should have higher than only 16p!

they weren't used to thrust with by the samurai, so it can be a thrusting weapon but it wasn't used like one

It can be a thrusting weapon AND it was used like one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiTgLg5ccA0

[Glyph]

NO IT'S NOT KIDDO RAGE!!!!

[Banok]

I willing to bet japanese swords had much sharper points than european swords, even if european ones were mostly for stabbing probably still blunt compared.

its frankly retarded that nodachi does not have a stab and that katana's stab barely does more damage than the fucking wooden sword.

[Jazko]

Well, it could be because gameplay balance issues. Who knows. Gameplay must always come before realism imo. I just got into this discussion becuse of that dude who thought he had it all figured out but didnt know shit

[Glyph]

but it is true that european swords had somethings in their advantage, weight and the guy who hit with the sword. the european swords were heavier than the katana sort. and the european knights were much more trained to hit hard and fast so your opponant wouldn't have a chance strike back. the samurai were much more trained on fighting in a "right"way and more on accuracy and the mental fight that takes place inside the warrior.

Well, it could be because gameplay balance issues. Who knows. Gameplay must always come before realism imo. I just got into this discussion becuse of that dude who thought he had it all figured out but didnt know shit

oww oww, me me!

[DrKronic]

if you've ever fought with a practice katana, you'd know you end up threatening with a point alot of times even if you don't run someone through with it 100% of the time, I've fought alot with practice katana's and other japanese weapons (nox is a blackbelt, I am not btw)

(it looks alot like the thrust animation)

and the thing is alot of Europe's fighting styles have unfortunately been lost to the ages and are being "reconstructed" nowadays, where as alot of eastern martial arts survived with their actual teaching never having ended

you can't really learn how to swing a mace or two handed axe(even sword really) like they used to because the art was not kept alive, I don't think there is a Varangian Guard Association of America(or elsewhere )

(not like you see "Dojo's" for people to learn bastard sword or poleaxe fighting nowadays, on the other hand people still dress up in fake suits and fight each other with practice katana's as a sport

(yes fencing exists too but that style of fighting is extremely late period)   (think guns/no armor by then)

http://www.thearma.org/essays/knightvs.htm (best site about historical fighting I've found, really challenges "myths" (like all 1h/shield medieval armies etc)

[Ninja_Khorin]

Well, there is a lot of info on european martial arts still.
ARMA seems to have a lot of it. It's what ARMA does.
http://www.thearma.org/manuals.htm

[Glyph]

i just saw a documantairy about how the katana was made and used(3 and a half hours!) and they didn't really use it to stab. that's what they said and they also said that it didn't have a sharp point(atleast it was sharp but not pointy enough to penetrate armor)
and for god sakes don't say I'M wrong because i didn't make that statement!

[Shinimas]

I willing to bet japanese swords had much sharper points than european swords, even if european ones were mostly for stabbing probably still blunt compared.

its frankly retarded that nodachi does not have a stab and that katana's stab barely does more damage than the fucking wooden sword.

You lost the bet. Why would any sword be blunt?

[Shinimas]

You lost the bet. Why would any sword be blunt?

not like you see "Dojo's" for people to learn bastard sword or poleaxe fighting nowadays

There are a few. It's slowly becoming more and more popular.

[Kafein]

Katana users did do thrust attacks ! I know it from Shogun 2 ! 




In all seriousness, why would they not ? Katana's are pointy at the end of the blade so I don't see the reason not to thrust from time to time.

[Meensai]

First of all, sorry my sleepy bad english right now... but...

Katanas were used to thrust, but only against bad (leather) or not armored enemys, because it was really hard to thrust trough a samurai armor since it was exactly against that invented (multiple tiers of different materials).
To be correct, in the most "schools" of handling a  katana, they were allocated to used just Mono-Uchi (the upper part of 3 equal parts of the blade).
The "tip" of the Katana, also called Kissaki, was used to cut mostly, like these little invention from japan you all know
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And about the nodachi... it hardly depends on the length of it, if it's still a nodachi and not an odachi, it was mostly used like a katana, but if actually was to long, also an odachi, it was more used like a polearm and especially NOT to thrust, because it easily would've break.

[Ninja_Khorin]

First of all, sorry my sleepy bad english right now... but...

Katanas were used to thrust, but only against bad (leather) or not armored enemys, because it was really hard to thrust trough a samurai armor since it was exactly against that invented (multiple tiers of different materials).
To be correct, in the most "schools" of handling a  katana, they were allocated to used just Mono-Uchi (the upper part of 3 equal parts of the blade).
The "tip" of the Katana, also called Kissaki, was used to cut mostly, like these little invention from japan you all know
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And about the nodachi... it hardly depends on the length of it, if it's still a nodachi and not an odachi, it was mostly used like a katana, but if actually was to long, also an odachi, it was more used like a polearm and especially NOT to thrust, because it easily would've break.

That picture is a little misleading, as previously posted in this thread the tips look like this:
http://www.quanonline.com/military/military_reference/japanese/tips.html

[Meensai]

Khorin, it's not about the "looking", it's about the function, it's absolutely the same, cut with the tip.