Which are you more excited about/see yourself playing?

[The_Bloody_Nine]

so now you only need to spam click 1 key instead of 2?

You are welcome to try it out. From what little experience I've had so far it seems spam is much less successful than in warband.

[Golem]

I did and for now I'm not that impressed. There's a potential, no denying, but it needs a lot of polishing. In its current state Okam's combat is subpar in comparison to M&B. And it will be hard to make it better or equally good as M&B, simpy because how good is M&B combat. Perfect is the enemy of good. But it's gonna be something quite different than bannerlord, that's for sure.

With Bannerlord we know what we're gonna get - refined warband. Little to no chance that TW won't deliver. Okam is quite a different story, hard to tell at this point what's gonna happen with it.

How long did you play? I didn't like the combat system all that much at first, but after about 2 hours, I realized that I was biased from Warband. In those two hours you really see all the nuances and how everything ties and flows together.





And to everyone else, who's confused about the combat.

Left mouse-click lets you move your weapon around
Ctrl lets you stay in any position you've taken with your weapon so you can turn 360 without changing the weapon's position(a bit redundant mechanic at this point, but I can see it expanding)
If you press Right mouse-button, you get back into your original position and in order to change it have to press Left mouse-button(this would be better, if it worked like Ctrl in my opinion)
If you let go of left mouse-button, you release an attack

All the time, be it in the middle of a strike or when changing or canceling a position("stance") your weapon can collide with another weapon!!!
This means that as long as your weapon is in the trajectory of your opponent's weapon, it'll result in a collision("block")
...also no more, 'Hey! I totally block'd that!' moments from Warband, because you let go of right mouse-button a milisecond before the server registered your block, and who doesn't hate those?

edit: I think there is or will be some kind of advantage to blocking with the proper position, tho

[Asheram]

You are welcome to try it out. From what little experience I've had so far it seems spam is much less successful than in warband.

I guess I will have to wait til I get to. So is spam harder now because now both attacking and blocking are controlled by one key press so you have to wade thru one action to get to the other action? I'm confused

[Golem]

I guess I will have to wait til I get to. So is spam harder now because now both attacking and blocking are controlled by one key press so you have to wade thru one action to get to the other action? I'm confused

Not really. It's because you can only cancel attacks when you're putting the thing behind you to swing and so once you attack you're left wide open, if you miss, unless you're lucky and the attack collides with your enemy's own attack. But if he dodges your spamfest and attacks at the same time and the weapons don't bounce off of each other, you're probably screwed.

You could say, that all weapons are now Unbalanced, because those are also harder to cancel-attack in warband

[Gurgumul]

And to everyone else, who's confused about the combat.

Left mouse-click lets you move your weapon around
Ctrl lets you stay in any position you've taken with your weapon so you can turn 360 without changing the weapon's position(a bit redundant mechanic at this point, but I can see it expanding)
If you press Right mouse-button, you get back into your original position and in order to change it have to press Left mouse-button(this would be better, if it worked like Ctrl in my opinion)
If you let go of left mouse-button, you release an attack

All the time, be it in the middle of a strike or when changing or canceling a position("stance") your weapon can collide with another weapon!!!
This means that as long as your weapon is in the trajectory of your opponent's weapon, it'll result in a collision("block")
...also no more, 'Hey! I totally block'd that!' moments from Warband, because you let go of right mouse-button a milisecond before the server registered your block, and who doesn't hate those?

edit: I think there is or will be some kind of advantage to blocking with the proper position, tho

                                                                   
                                                         
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[Utrakil]

be patiente my friends. going puplic seems to be near. I guess then the combat will be shown and explained in all details.

[chadz]

How to fight in OKAM:
Hold left mouse button
Move your mouse to defend against incoming attacks.
Release left mouse button when you see an opportunity to attack.
Win.

It's so simple

[Golem]

                                                                   
                                                         
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Well here's a summary of the differences to Warband.

In Warband your weapon can only act as a physical object(or block), when you click/hold right mouse-button. It also only acts as a physical object and can collide with, the appropriate attack. i.e. you can't block a thrust with an upper block even if it is aiming at your head
It also ceases to be a physical object, the second you stop holding right mouse-button.

In OKAM, your weapon is a physical object from the moment you press left-mouse button to the moment the animation is finished. It can also collide with any attack, as long as it gets in the way. It's kind of like turning, in Warband, to block an attack that comes from your left side, with a right block, but taken much further.
OKAM also doesn't really distinguish between a block and an attack. Two attacks can bock each other, if the weapons hit each other.

[Asheram]

                                                                   
                                                         
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yeah I think he made my decision easier now, it sounding like a game of twister.

[Golem]

yeah I think he made my decision easier now, it sounding like a game of twister.

I'm pretty sure there will be a public alpha-beta test, you'll see for yourself just how awesome it is. 
its like taking acid, you can't explain it in words

[Asheram]

How to fight in OKAM:
Hold left mouse button
Move your mouse to defend against incoming attacks.
Release left mouse button when you see an opportunity to attack.
Win.

It's so simple

so if moving the mouse to block how are you controlling attack direction?

[chadz]

Block and attack direction are the same thing

[Cyber]

Am I understanding it correctly that there are no actual attack and block keys, just a key to move your weapon around and what happens is just dependant on what and how your weapon collides with?

If that is the case consider me excited, been looking forward to a more "physics" based combat system like that for a long time. If anyone tried Exanima perhaps you could draw a slight comparison to the physics part?

[Jona]

But feinting is at least half of what made warband combat so deep... 

[Asheram]

So blocking is like chambers/parry in warband but w/o having to press a key to do it?