Which are you more excited about/see yourself playing?

[Gurgumul]

A question to those who said you don't like the 'stances-combat', did you play it or is your opinion just based on the description of it?

opinion just based on the description of it

I'd much prefer a free flow combat system similar to Warband. You left click to attack and right click to block, all in the desired direction, with no restrictions. Stances are fine as long as they're only a small bonus - for example being in "up" stance and getting hit by an "up" attack should decrease the damage taken, like in the current system. But stances should not restrict the direction of attacks - if you're in "right" and want to quickly attack "left", you should able to no problemo. In the current system (afaik) you first have to right click to change stance, and then left click to attack. There's also some weird button-holding stuff that only makes it more complicated.

[The_Bloody_Nine]

I think they did a huge mistake in introducing the therm 'stances'. Everyone (including me) seems to get a completely wrong notion of how combat works. As it is now stances just means that you have 8 ready positions from which you perform blocks and attacks. The huge step forward in this for me is that with this they got rid of the stupid splitting of holding and then releasing your swing like in Warband but instead have a fluid motion.

And what do you mean with no restrictions? You got four attack and block directions in warband.

[Gurgumul]

And what do you mean with no restrictions? You got four attack and block directions in warband.

Yes, but in Warband you can attack and block any direction at any time. From what I understand, in MBG you first have to manually switch your stance before being able to attack from a different direction.

[The_Bloody_Nine]

Yes, but in Warband you can attack and block any direction at any time. From what I understand, in MBG you first have to manually switch your stance before being able to attack from a different direction.

By moving the mouse, yes. I guess you'll all see soon enough and there will be still enough who dislike it, but it is much more natural and fluid than you'd think especially if you kinda leave your mindset from M&B behind.

[Kelugarn]

From what I understand, in MBG you first have to manually switch your stance before being able to attack from a different direction.

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This is no longer the case. The "stance" system was an early idea and has since changed.

[Nordwolf]

Yes, but in Warband you can attack and block any direction at any time. From what I understand, in MBG you first have to manually switch your stance before being able to attack from a different direction.

You move the mouse while holding left clock in a direction to block, you release to attack. It's so fast and easy to move the direction around that you can block left, move mouse to the right a bit and release and have a right attack flow in after left block. All with mouse movement and only LMB, I absolutely love the system and Warband actually feels incredibly restrictive after it. Now I actually wish I could use controls like in OKAM in cRPG.

[Asheram]

I think they did a huge mistake in introducing the therm 'stances'. Everyone (including me) seems to get a completely wrong notion of how combat works. As it is now stances just means that you have 8 ready positions from which you perform blocks and attacks. The huge step forward in this for me is that with this they got rid of the stupid splitting of holding and then releasing your swing like in Warband but instead have a fluid motion.

And what do you mean with no restrictions? You got four attack and block directions in warband.

so does that mean in okam you now not only have to figure out which of the 4 attack directions your opponent is going to use like in warband so you can block it but have to figure out which of the many more directions said attack is coming from? Also on top of that figure out which stance your opponent is in and have to micro manage that as well, so you are in the right one? Because if this is how it is I will definitely be playing Bannerlords.

[Nordwolf]

so does that mean in okam you now not only have to figure out which of the 4 attack directions your opponent is going to use like in warband so you can block it but have to figure out which of the many more directions said attack is coming from? Also on top of that figure out which stance your opponent is in and have to micro manage that as well, so you are in the right one? Because if this is how it is I will definitely be playing Bannerlords.

You are waaaaaay overthinking it. If your block looks natural to block an incoming strike, it will block it. You don't have to play any guessing games in that regard. And you can block any direction at any time. You can even block stabs with side blocks if they hit it.

Essentially stances are blocks, just controlled differently and allow some faster attacks to be performed.

[chadz]

I agree that the term stances is not very good wording. It came from a previous, outdated attempt at combat. We'll think about a better term.

[Falka]

A question to those who said you don't like the 'stances-combat', did you play it

I did and for now I'm not that impressed. There's a potential, no denying, but it needs a lot of polishing. In its current state Okam's combat is subpar in comparison to M&B. And it will be hard to make it better or equally good as M&B, simpy because how good is M&B combat. Perfect is the enemy of good. But it's gonna be something quite different than bannerlord, that's for sure.

With Bannerlord we know what we're gonna get - refined warband. Little to no chance that TW won't deliver. Okam is quite a different story, hard to tell at this point what's gonna happen with it.

[Jona]

You move the mouse while holding left clock in a direction to block, you release to attack.

So you HAVE to attack after every block now? That just seems like they've over-simplified the process a little too much.

[Kelugarn]

I'm not sure how you can say that even the current OKAM combat is subpar to M&B. It's the same style of combat but with more control and freedom.

So you HAVE to attack after every block now? That just seems like they've over-simplified the process a little too much.

No no, you can still just block and cancel your held attack. It's just that readying your attack also acts as a block now. Also remember that you only have to hold LMB to swap between attack/block directions in OKAM; no more spam clicking to feint or change directions.

[Cyber]

Probably bannerlord since what really hooked me about warband was the combat system and from the small amount of attention I have been paying it looks like the focus for donkey crew's project has been slowly shifting away from a more combat oriented arena type game to something more alongside open world, survival, crafting games, something like life in feudal, reign of kings etc and I haven't seen combat come even close to warband level in any of them and I think it would be quite difficult to do. But that is just the impression I gotten reading the forums for 10 minutes every month or so.

Still really looking forward to both of them though and will definitely try out them both.

[Asheram]

I'm not sure how you can say that even the current OKAM combat is subpar to M&B. It's the same style of combat but with more control and freedom.
No no, you can still just block and cancel your held attack. It's just that readying your attack also acts as a block now. Also remember that you only have to hold LMB to swap between attack/block directions in OKAM; no more spam clicking to feint or change directions.

so now you only need to spam click 1 key instead of 2?

[Nehvar]

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