religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport

[Leshma]

EDIT: I re-read your post "....Spain is hardly an intellectual superpower..." Hey Fuck You Buddy XD

Well he's nationalist who believes that his little shitty country is best thing since sliced bread, take that into consideration. But you should already be aware of it, since we're here for five years and pretty much everybody knows what others think.

[Bobthehero]

How can others know what I think when I don't even know what I think

[Leshma]

You think that playing cRPG in first person isn't nausea inducing. Rest of us disagree.

[DKNhz]

The Muslim golden age was started by  Assyrian Christians who translated Greek and Indian works into Syriac and later into Arabic, not Muslims, all of the Abassid caliphate physicians were Assyrian Christians, not Muslims. They were responsible for the Muslim golden age while forced to live as second class citizens and eventually were driven close to extinction from centuries of persecution and genocide. Even the Moors had a connection to the Assyrians, many of the Moorish upper class were from the Syrian landed elite who took these works and ideas back to Spain with them.

You got the whole thing wrong, maybe because you read it wrong. Did i say muslims did the work ? Mid East and muslims are different things, isn't it ? One is geographical position and the other is religion. Scholars from various parts of the world with different cultural backgrounds were mandated to gather and translate all of the world's classical knowledge into Arabic. Those scholars didn't agreed on whatsapp group to gather all together in Mid East to do science. They were gathered, supported, payed by muslim Arabs.

Greek, Roman, Persian, Indian, Chinese, Phoenician works were translated. Scientific language was Arabic throughout the centuries. Those works might have been lost without Arabs. Deny it or not Mid East was 10x advanced than Europe between 8th century to the 13th century.

Those beautiful "Arabic" mosque domes you see would not exist if it were not for these " Christian child molestors " as dknz calls them,  which are suspiciously very similar to the Byzantine style domes you also see.

EUROPE was in the dark i said, not the christian population in the whole world. Reading problems are bad, you should do that carefully.
What's the connection between christians doing science in Mid East and christians in the dark in Europe. Different things as i stated above.



This is something like denying the contribution of USA for today's science just because the ppl who do science there is not American but ppl from different parts of the world with different religions.

[Bobthehero]

You think that playing cRPG in first person isn't nausea inducing. Rest of us disagree.

Hi,

its signed,

i can only approved,

Froyo.

[Angantyr]

Well he's nationalist who believes that his little shitty country is best thing since sliced bread, take that into consideration.

[Xant]

You got the whole thing wrong, maybe because you read it wrong. Did i say muslims did the work ? Mid East and muslims are different things, isn't it ? One is geographical position and the other is religion. Scholars from various parts of the world with different cultural backgrounds were mandated to gather and translate all of the world's classical knowledge into Arabic. Those scholars didn't agreed on whatsapp group to gather all together in Mid East to do science. They were gathered, supported, payed by muslim Arabs.

Greek, Roman, Persian, Indian, Chinese, Phoenician works were translated. Scientific language was Arabic throughout the centuries. Those works might have been lost without Arabs. Deny it or not Mid East was 10x advanced than Europe between 8th century to the 13th century.

Except it wasn't Arabs doing the translating, it was Assyrians.

[Leshma]

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Denmark

If I was nationalist, I would link to page describing "mine" country but I'm not. Taking pride in "witty" and "edgy" writing of some lonely, angry individual. And like to call it a country where I'm currently taking residence in. Hopefully it won't be the one where they'll bury me. Sea or empty space are much better choices imho.

Happiness as product of "good life" is superficial bullshit and will come to an end the moment material goods are taken from you.  It is same brand of happiness consumerism brings, like buying new iPhone or brand new pair of designer jeans. It is basically a fix, lasts temporarily and leaves you urging for more. Fucks you up in the end.

I tend to value spiritual side of life more than physical because latter doesn't last long and comes at limited quantities that cannot be renewed. If you're obsessing over physical aspect, then your happiness will last for period when you're in your prime which is less than half of your lifespan. Rest of your life will be miserable, drowned in alcohol or drugs in attempt to forget that your prime passed. Older cultures than ours, those at far east know that very well and are governing their lives according to those facts of life.

I don't live in a rich, economically prosperous country with great welfare system and high average wages. I am unable to buy latest iPhone, PC, gaming console, 4K LCDTV, designer clothes, rent expensive flat or buy brand new German car. But you know what, unlike most of the people surrounding me, not having those goods in my possession that doesn't make me unhappy. I simply feel no need for any of those things as must-have ingredients of my so called modern life. What makes me unhappy are people I'm surrounded with, shallow starved out demons who want something superficial they don't have and are willing to harm other people in their quest for personal materialistic goods which serve no good purpose to most of them because their chronic lack of education and knowledge. That is what sucks about poor countries. Human nature sucks, not lack of goods they produce (objectively speaking it is all crap). But human nature sucks everywhere, it is just concealed under layers of short lasting mechanisms that bring temporary pleasure that way averting true intentions of most members of our species. What I value the most are things most of us take for grant and repeatedly destroy. Things that can regenerate but not under attacks of so many viruses we call humans.

[Xant]

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Denmark

If I was nationalist, I would link to page describing "mine" country but I'm not. Taking pride in "witty" and "edgy" writing of some lonely, angry individual. And like to call it a country where I'm currently taking residence in. Hopefully it won't be the one where they'll bury me. Sea or empty space are much better choices imho.

Happiness as product of "good life" is superficial bullshit and will come to an end the moment material goods are taken from you.  It is same brand of happiness consumerism brings, like buying new iPhone or brand new pair of designer jeans. It is basically a fix, lasts temporarily and leaves you urging for more. Fucks you up in the end.

I tend to value spiritual side of life more than physical because latter doesn't last long and comes at limited quantities that cannot be renewed. If you're obsessing over physical aspect, then your happiness will last for period when you're in your prime which is less than half of your lifespan. Rest of your life will be miserable, drowned in alcohol or drugs in attempt to forget that your prime passed. Older cultures than ours, those at far east know that very well and are governing their lives according to those facts of life.

I don't live in a rich, economically prosperous country with great welfare system and high average wages. I am unable to buy latest iPhone, PC, gaming console, 4K LCDTV, designer clothes, rent expensive flat or buy brand new German car. But you know what, unlike most of the people surrounding me, not having those goods in my possession that doesn't make me unhappy. I simply feel no need for any of those things as must-have ingredients of my so called modern life. What makes me unhappy are people I'm surrounded with, shallow starved out demons who want something superficial they don't have and are willing to harm other people in their quest for personal materialistic goods which serve no good purpose to most of them because their chronic lack of education and knowledge. That is what sucks about poor countries. Human nature sucks, not lack of goods they produce (objectively speaking it is all crap). But human nature sucks everywhere, it is just concealed under layers of short lasting mechanisms that bring temporary pleasure that way averting true intentions of most members of our species. What I value the most are things most of us take for grant and repeatedly destroy. Things that can regenerate but not under attacks of so many viruses we call humans.

[Grytviken]

You got the whole thing wrong, maybe because you read it wrong. Did i say muslims did the work ? Mid East and muslims are different things, isn't it ? One is geographical position and the other is religion. Scholars from various parts of the world with different cultural backgrounds were mandated to gather and translate all of the world's classical knowledge into Arabic. Those scholars didn't agreed on whatsapp group to gather all together in Mid East to do science. They were gathered, supported, payed by muslim Arabs.

Greek, Roman, Persian, Indian, Chinese, Phoenician works were translated. Scientific language was Arabic throughout the centuries. Those works might have been lost without Arabs. Deny it or not Mid East was 10x advanced than Europe between 8th century to the 13th century.
EUROPE was in the dark i said, not the christian population in the whole world. Reading problems are bad, you should do that carefully.
What's the connection between christians doing science in Mid East and christians in the dark in Europe. Different things as i stated above.



This is something like denying the contribution of USA for today's science just because the ppl who do science there is not American but ppl from different parts of the world with different religions.

There's absolutely no evidence that shows that the Mid-East was more advanced than Europe before the 13th century, let alone 10x. When searching in the Middle East and Cordoba for archaeological evidence of this luxurious "golden age" what they found was extremely disappointing and supports none of the sort, and in fact the total opposite, it seemed to be a mostly impoverished civilization. The lack of Muslim archaeology from before the tenth and eleventh centuries compared to the MILLIONS of archaeological finds from the Roman Empire shows that this "Golden Age" is probably very much exaggerated.

Just because a scholar is studying or working in some secluded part of an Empire does not make an entire civilization more advanced or inferior than another, it really has no bearing on mainstream society unless those ideas and works can actually be put to practical use. The Ottoman Turks soundly defeated both the Arabs and Persians, the Golden boys themselves who were still using bows and arrows in the 16th century. This did not spark any kind of extended Islamic Golden age despite all of those flourishing centers of advanced civilization they must have acquired. In fact I think they were quite disappointed at the sorry state of their new possessions and the backwardness of these areas compared to Anatolia. Much like today, 1000 years ago Muslims were constantly warring and there was never any room for any significant leap in technology to be made, the Arabs were fighting the Persians, and the Turks were fighting them both, and their experience having fought wars against the more technologically advanced Europeans gave them an advantage and they won.

[Sir_Hans]

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https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Denmark

If I was nationalist, I would link to page describing "mine" country but I'm not. Taking pride in "witty" and "edgy" writing of some lonely, angry individual. And like to call it a country where I'm currently taking residence in. Hopefully it won't be the one where they'll bury me. Sea or empty space are much better choices imho.

Happiness as product of "good life" is superficial bullshit and will come to an end the moment material goods are taken from you.  It is same brand of happiness consumerism brings, like buying new iPhone or brand new pair of designer jeans. It is basically a fix, lasts temporarily and leaves you urging for more. Fucks you up in the end.

I tend to value spiritual side of life more than physical because latter doesn't last long and comes at limited quantities that cannot be renewed. If you're obsessing over physical aspect, then your happiness will last for period when you're in your prime which is less than half of your lifespan. Rest of your life will be miserable, drowned in alcohol or drugs in attempt to forget that your prime passed. Older cultures than ours, those at far east know that very well and are governing their lives according to those facts of life.

I don't live in a rich, economically prosperous country with great welfare system and high average wages. I am unable to buy latest iPhone, PC, gaming console, 4K LCDTV, designer clothes, rent expensive flat or buy brand new German car. But you know what, unlike most of the people surrounding me, not having those goods in my possession that doesn't make me unhappy. I simply feel no need for any of those things as must-have ingredients of my so called modern life. What makes me unhappy are people I'm surrounded with, shallow starved out demons who want something superficial they don't have and are willing to harm other people in their quest for personal materialistic goods which serve no good purpose to most of them because their chronic lack of education and knowledge. That is what sucks about poor countries. Human nature sucks, not lack of goods they produce (objectively speaking it is all crap). But human nature sucks everywhere, it is just concealed under layers of short lasting mechanisms that bring temporary pleasure that way averting true intentions of most members of our species. What I value the most are things most of us take for grant and repeatedly destroy. Things that can regenerate but not under attacks of so many viruses we call humans.

It's true money doesn't necessarily buy happiness at least not long meaningful happiness. This is a fact accepted by almost everyone.
But what is also true is that I would rather be completely depressed and lost in life sitting in a mansion drinking a $500 bottle of scotch with a dozen sports cars in my garage which is larger than the average persons home... Than to be stuck in China happy as a dog with little to no material possessions, little to no quality education, forced to work long hours for slave wages so I can afford rice and a duck once every month to feed my loved ones.

Money doesn't buy happiness. But it buys practically everything else on this planet. 

[Dede]

The Muslim golden age was started by  Assyrian Christians who translated Greek and Indian works into Syriac and later into Arabic, not Muslims, all of the Abassid caliphate physicians were Assyrian Christians, not Muslims. They were responsible for the Muslim golden age while forced to live as second class citizens and eventually were driven close to extinction from centuries of persecution and genocide. Even the Moors had a connection to the Assyrians, many of the Moorish upper class were from the Syrian landed elite who took these works and ideas back to Spain with them.

@Grytviken
Can you list us some famous "Assyrian Christian Scientists" who invented/discovered anything relevant from this era?

[Molly]

[...]
This is something like denying the contribution of USA for today's science just because the ppl who do science there is not American but ppl from different parts of the world with different religions.

Kinda off-topic but out of experience on several occasions I know that at least for my profession, America is a bit of a backwater developing world
...but nevermind. Not really important. Different matter really... Sowwy :3

[Grytviken]

@Grytviken
Can you list us some famous "Assyrian Christian Scientists" who invented/discovered anything relevant from this era?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunayn_ibn_Ishaq

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masawaiyh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukhtishu

[DKNhz]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunayn_ibn_Ishaq

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masawaiyh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukhtishu

Good list. Here are the muslims;

Astronomers

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Sind ibn Ali
    Ali Qushji
    Ahmad Khani
    Ibrahim al-Fazari
    Muhammad al-Fazari
    Al-Khwarizmi, Mathematician
    Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (Albumasar)
    Al-Farghani
    Banū Mūsā (Ben Mousa)
    Dīnawarī
    Al-Majriti
    Al-Battani  (Albatenius)
    Al-Farabi  (Abunaser)
    Abd Al-Rahman Al Sufi
    Abu Sa'id Gorgani
    Kushyar ibn Labban
    Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin
    Al-Mahani
    Al-Marwazi
    Al-Nayrizi
    Al-Saghani
    Al-Farghani
    Abu Nasr Mansur
    Abū Sahl al-Qūhī  (Kuhi)
    Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi
    Abū al-Wafā' al-Būzjānī
    Ibn Yunus
    Ibn al-Haytham  (Alhacen)
    Bīrūnī
    Avicenna  (Ibn Sīnā)
    Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī  (Arzachel)
    Omar Khayyám
    Al-Khazini
    Ibn Bajjah  (Avempace)
    Ibn Tufail  (Abubacer)
    Nur Ed-Din Al Betrugi (Alpetragius)
    Averroes
    Al-Jazari
    Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī
    Anvari
    Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi
    Nasir al-Din Tusi
    Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi
    Ibn al-Shatir
    Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī
    Jamshīd al-Kāshī
    Ulugh Beg
    Taqi al-Din Muhammad ibn Ma'ruf
    Ahmad Nahavandi
    Haly Abenragel
    Abolfadl Harawi
    Mu'ayyad al-Din al-'Urdi

Biologists, neuroscientists, and psychologists

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Ibn Sirin, author of work on dreams and dream interpretation
Al-Kindi (Alkindus), pioneer of psychotherapy and music therapy
Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari, pioneer of psychiatry, clinical psychiatry and clinical psychology
Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi, pioneer of mental health, medical psychology, cognitive psychology, cognitive therapy, psychophysiology and psychosomatic medicine
Al-Farabi (Alpharabius), pioneer of social psychology and consciousness studies
Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi (Haly Abbas), pioneer of neuroanatomy, neurobiology and neurophysiology
Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis), pioneer of neurosurgery
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen), founder of experimental psychology, psychophysics, phenomenology and visual perception
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, pioneer of reaction time
Avicenna (Ibn Sīnā), pioneer of neuropsychiatry, thought experiment, self-awareness and self-consciousness
Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar), pioneer of neurology and neuropharmacology
Averroes, pioneer of Parkinson's disease
Ibn Tufail, pioneer of tabula rasa and nature versus nurture

Chemists / Alchemists

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Khalid ibn Yazid (died 704) (Calid)
Jafar al-Sadiq (702 - 765)
Jābir ibn Hayyān (721 - 815) (Geber), father of chemistry
Abbas Ibn Firnas (810 - 887) (Armen Firman)
Al-Kindi (801-873) (Alkindus)
Al-Majriti (fl. 1008 - 1007)
Ibn Miskawayh (932 - 1030)
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī (973 - 1048)
Avicenna (980 - 1037)
Al-Khazini (fl. 1115-1130)
Nasir al-Din Tusi (1201 - 1274)
Ibn Khaldun (1332 - 1406)
Al-Khwārizmī (780 - 850)

Geographers and earth scientists

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Al-Masudi, the "Herodotus of the Arabs", and pioneer of historical geography
Al-Kindi, pioneer of environmental science
Ibn Al-Jazzar
Al-Tamimi
Al-Masihi
Ali ibn Ridwan
Muhammad al-Idrisi, also a cartographer
Ahmad ibn Fadlan
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, father of geodesy,considered the first geologist and "first anthropologist"
Avicenna
Abd al-Latif al-Baghdadi
Averroes
Ibn al-Nafis
Ibn Jubayr
Ibn Battuta
Ibn Khaldun
Piri Reis

Mathematicians

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Al-Hajjāj ibn Yūsuf ibn Matar
Khalid ibn Yazid (Calid)
Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī - father of algebra and algorithms
Abd al-Hamīd ibn Turk
Abū al-Hasan ibn Alī al-Qalasādī (1412–1482), pioneer of symbolic algebra
Abū Kāmil Shujā ibn Aslam
Al-Abbās ibn Said al-Jawharī
Al-Kindi (Alkindus)
Banū Mūsā (Ben Mousa)
Ja'far Muhammad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
Al-Hasan ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
Al-Mahani
Ahmed ibn Yusuf
Al-Majriti
Muhammad ibn Jābir al-Harrānī al-Battānī (Albatenius)
Al-Farabi (Abunaser)
Al-Khalili
Al-Nayrizi
Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin
Brethren of Purity
Abu'l-Hasan al-Uqlidisi
Al-Saghani
Abū Sahl al-Qūhī
Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi
Abū al-Wafā' al-Būzjānī
Ibn Sahl
Al-Sijzi
Ibn Yunus
Abu Nasr Mansur
Kushyar ibn Labban
Al-Karaji
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen/Alhazen)
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī
Ibn Tahir al-Baghdadi
Al-Nasawi
Al-Jayyani
Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (Arzachel)
Al-Mu'taman ibn Hud
Omar Khayyám
Al-Khazini
Ibn Bajjah (Avempace)
Al-Ghazali (Algazel)
Al-Marrakushi
Al-Samawal
Ibn Rushd (Averroes)
Ibn Seena (Avicenna)
Hunayn ibn Ishaq
Ibn al-Banna'
Ibn al-Shatir
Ja'far ibn Muhammad Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (Albumasar)
Jamshīd al-Kāshī
Kamāl al-Dīn al-Fārisī
Muḥyi al-Dīn al-Maghribī
Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi
Muhammad Baqir Yazdi
Nasir al-Din al-Tusi
Qāḍī Zāda al-Rūmī
Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi
Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī
Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī
Taqi al-Din Muhammad ibn Ma'ruf
Ulugh Beg

Physicists and engineers

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Jafar al-Sadiq
Banū Mūsā (Ben Mousa)
Ja'far Muhammad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
Ahmad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
Al-Hasan ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
Abbas Ibn Firnas (Armen Firman)
Al-Saghani
Abū Sahl al-Qūhī (Kuhi)
Ibn Sahl
Ibn Yunus
Al-Karaji
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen), 11th century Iraqi scientist, father of optics, and experimental physics, considered the "first scientist"
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, 11th century, pioneer of experimental mechanics
Ibn Sīnā/Seena (Avicenna)
Al-Khazini
Ibn Bajjah (Avempace)
Hibat Allah Abu'l-Barakat al-Baghdaadi (Nathanel)
Ibn Rushd/Rooshd (Averroes)
Al-Jazari, 13th century civil engineer, father of robotics
Nasir al-Din Tusi
Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi
Kamāl al-Dīn al-Fārisī
Ibn al-Shatir
Taqi al-Din Muhammad ibn Ma'ruf

They are all major figures and made a significant contribution to the science. We can triple that list if we just add non-major scholars. And yes, they all lived in the islamic golden age.