Is the conflict in Syria turning into a proxy war?

[Asheram]

you only live one =p

[Grytviken]

Yeah, I am pretty sure.

U.S. is pretty open about how they are funding and arming rebel factions within syria that are against ISIS and also against Assad & the government of Syria.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/19/us-mideast-crisis-syria-aleppo-idUSKCN0SD16O20151019


"Opposition groups in Syria took a new turn in late 2011, during the Syrian Civil War, as they united to form the Syrian National Council (SNC),[4] which has received significant international support and recognition as a partner for dialogue. The Syrian National Council was recognized or supported in some capacity by at least 17 member states of the United Nations, with three of those (France, United Kingdom and the United States) being permanent members of the Security Council.[5][6][7][8][9][10] The Syrian National Council is considered to be influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood and include many affiliated members. The Islamic Front, a major anti-regime Islamist Sunni militia during the Syrian Civil War, is affiliated with the Syrian National Council."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_opposition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/09/syrian-rebel-forces-seize-major-military-base-government-forces

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33064320

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30476609

With over 150,000 casualties within the Syrian government forces and with many of their military bases having been abandoned or captured I would say that the majority of their weapons are actually Russian made. Plus however many thousands of weapons they captured from ISIS or other groups.

Much of the Syrian Army also defected.

[Grytviken]

This all goes back to my original point many useless discussions ago. When the USSR collapsed Russia flooded the entire 3rd world and the Middle-east with weaponry because they couldn't afford to pay or feed their large military during their economic collapse, weapons have always been easily accessible in great quantities in these countries since the 80's and 90's.

 There should be a poll option where Russia goes bankrupt from another arms race with the US from making crappy underdeveloped robotic A.I projects and 5th gen sukhois that will end up being largely useless while their economy goes down the tank because it is dependent on oil while at the same time they are economically sanctioned by the EU and half the world for their retarded actions.

[Tibe]

Who cares where the weapons are made. Are you saying that the US does not peddle with Soviet guns? Oh...man..im sorry to tell you but the US and everybody else on planet earth only deal with Soviet weapons in conflict zones around the globe. They only get Western weaponry if its 100% sure they are allies forever or if they have asstons of money. Pro-West rebels and poor middle eastern pro-West "allied" countries will never see a single West made gun.

[Grytviken]

Who cares where the weapons are made. Are you saying that the US does not peddle with Soviet guns? Oh...man..im sorry to tell you but the US and everybody else on planet earth only deal with Soviet weapons in conflict zones around the globe. They only get Western weaponry if its 100% sure they are allies forever or if they have asstons of money or if they are stab. Western rebels and poor middle eastern pro-West "allied" countries will never see a single West made gun.

Yes and even these shipments are nothing compared to the vast amounts of weapons captured and acquired locally that are mostly Russian made, many given directly to the Syrian government from Russia.

[Grytviken]

Alex Jones: worlds nuttiest conspiracy nut, Ron Paul, & other far right wing voices)]

This nutcase thought Obama was going to order the Army to invade Texas and put us all in FEMA concentration camps lmao

[Tibe]

To be honest. We dont really KNOW, if the Syrian president is actually evil. Sure he is a cunt, but who isnt. I mean the media does try its best to discredit him, but there really is no evidence. And the fact that he is taking Russias assitance proves little. The dude is losing his country to terrorists and Russians(seemingly atleast), offered some solution. I wouldnt be suprised if he even manipulated Russia to make a move, which is actually kinda smart. "If you dont assist another pro-nato country will rise in your borders" would have probably been the point. Playing the ruskies fears.

[Sir_Hans]

This nutcase thought Obama was going to order the Army to invade Texas and put us all in FEMA concentration camps lmao

Yes, Alex Jones believes a lot of things that never came true or will never come true.
I could probably only agree with maybe a 0.25% of what comes out of his mouth, if that much.
He makes his money on promoting virtually any conspiracy theory he can get his hands on.

And he probably still thinks we are on the verge of the US imprisoning everyone and turning us into soylent greens.

Only reason I posted all those news links CNN/RT/RonPaul/AlexJones was to show the differing perspectives on these current events, it's not that I agree with what any of them say.

[Kafein]

The US has two major different ideological parties and all independent news agencies with different and varying political opinions.

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[LordBerenger]

I prefer fries

[Grytviken]

I should have been more specific. Most major networks are sifted through corporate censorship to fit their political bias or agenda. Just because they are independent of government censorship doesn't give them legitimacy. Anyone can be an opinionated journalist or be asked to be an analyst for a topic or controversy, it doesn't necessarily mean they are a legitimate source of information. Even if they claim to be "independent".

[Grytviken]

To be honest. We dont really KNOW, if the Syrian president is actually evil. Sure he is a cunt, but who isnt. I mean the media does try its best to discredit him, but there really is no evidence. And the fact that he is taking Russias assitance proves little. The dude is losing his country to terrorists and Russians(seemingly atleast), offered some solution. I wouldnt be suprised if he even manipulated Russia to make a move, which is actually kinda smart. "If you dont assist another pro-nato country will rise in your borders" would have probably been the point. Playing the ruskies fears.

I think the Syrian Army has been put in an impossible situation, and most of them probably have good intentions to protect their people. Also Assad asking for assistance from Russia doesn't make him a bad guy, but the fact that hundreds of thousands of civilians died under his leadership pretty much condemned him into a position where there will never be peace as long as he is in power, so logic says he has to go.

[Kafein]

To be honest. We dont really KNOW, if the Syrian president is actually evil.

Why yes, yes we do. Syria was and is textbook autocracy. No political freedom or even much freedom at all, assassinations, kidnappings, torture, racket by the ruling family, ethnic and religious privileges and the list goes on.

[Vovka]

 with the money that the US spends on the democratization of the shitholes around the world, they could build one paradise country on the moon every year. For all who want leave dat shitholes. The problem is that the happy inhabitants of the moon will not bring them profit (for the military industry) and oil.

[Angantyr]

It's a russian PR event to show they are once again capable of projecting power not only regionally but as the World's second strongest military power. And why not let them? Why not let Russia bear some of the responsibility. Especially in a shitty war like this one. It's not like there's any good or bad guys in the Syrian conflict, NATO has currently no idea who to back because they are all equally horrible and Kerry's ridiculous PR talk about supporting a democratic, secular government in Syria is just preposterous. At least the Russians are supporting a dictatorship that might be able to hold power, based in reality. If Putin can stop the humanitarian crisis from escalating even further he should be applauded even if his intentions are just realpolitik. It's very hard to get an overview though, intervention rarely work as intended anyway and has serious risk of backfiring.