Is the conflict in Syria turning into a proxy war?

[Sir_Hans]

So the U.S. CIA has been doing what it does best... manipulating people to topple governments who won't bow down and suck the almighty american cock. Mainly we have been giving weapons, training, and resources to rebel factions who are against ISIS as well as against Assad, the current president of Syria.

Now Russia, an ally of Assad, has stepped up and begun a military campaign to stabilize Syria and annihilate all rebel factions within Syria. Including ISIS and including some American-backed rebel factions (and still other non-american-backed rebels)

Needless to say the US and Russia are not cooperating and tensions are on the rise..

(russian owned news)
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/318950-drone-turkey-media-propaganda/
https://www.rt.com/news/319019-msm-syria-russia-reports/
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/318827-us-fear-putin-syria/

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https://www.rt.com/news/319082-russia-military-artificial-intelligence/

(US owned news Completely free and unbiased democratic news of the global world. Not american at all.)
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/15/middleeast/russia-syria-hardware-lister/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/middleeast/syria-civil-war/index.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/18/john-bolton-russias-syria-campaign-blurs-obamas-vi/

"Until Mr. Obama departs the White House in 15 months, Washington must not do anything perceived as legitimizing Moscow’s new Latakia air base, or the presence of Russian aircraft and cruise missiles in the skies over the region. The suggestion that we exchange deconfliction codes with Russia is what the French call a fausse bonne idee, a superficially appealing bad idea.

Deconfliction is how friendly forces keep out of each other’s way. In the first Persian Gulf War, Israel requested deconfliction, but President Bush 41 refused, aiming to prevent Israeli planes from undertaking operations against Iraq. We should remember that lesson. We do not want Russian planes in Syria’s skies, and we should not do anything to facilitate them. Instead, we should make it clear to Moscow that we will fly over Syria and Iraq, and they are welcome to leave. Any incidents in the air will be deemed Russia’s fault and treated accordingly. That’s how great powers act. Not that we should expect it from Mr. Obama."

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What do you guys think about these current events and the relations between US & Russia?

[Asheram]

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[Asheram]

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http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/why-i-love-the-usa/msg1177118/#msg1177118

[Grytviken]

(US owned news)
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/15/middleeast/russia-syria-hardware-lister/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/middleeast/syria-civil-war/index.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/18/john-bolton-russias-syria-campaign-blurs-obamas-vi/

US owned news lol..... you are a dipshit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_Russia#Currently_represented_in_the_State_Duma  Russia is basically a one party state with state owned and censored media outlets. The US has two major different ideological parties and all independent news agencies with different and varying political opinions. You can't compare the two. John Bolton and Donald Trump have absolutely no authority, relevance or connection with the present US government whatsoever, pure opinion and entertainment analysis.

 
  Iran and Russia are getting directly involved in a sectarian civil war that has been going on since 2011, this has nothing to do with a proxy war against the US, and they are free to do that at their own risk. Russia nor the US started the war in Syria, this is a matter of pure ideological differences here. Putin would rather support a authoritarian regime in the name of stability even if the regime has murdered hundreds of thousands of his own civilians, where the United States is willing to arm those civilians if they are willing to fight ISIS or if they chose to fight back against Assad.

 

   Militarily the US dwarfs Russia, in technology, experience and manpower. Putin knows his place in the bigger scheme of things.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=United-States-of-America

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=Russia


Personally I like Turkey's proposal of an international safe-zone in Syria to stop the conflict in at least part of Syria. Russia flying sorties for the Assad Regime's offensive against the rebels is sure to create thousands of more refugees, and displace hundreds of thousands of civilians who understandably don't want to live under his regime, they need somewhere to go.

[Sir_Hans]

US owned news lol..... you are a dipshit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_Russia#Currently_represented_in_the_State_Duma  Russia is basically a one party state with state owned and censored media outlets. The US has two major different ideological parties and all independent news agencies with different and varying political opinions. You can't compare the two. John Bolton and Donald Trump have absolutely no authority, relevance or connection with the present US government whatsoever, pure opinion and entertainment analysis.

Personally I like Turkey's proposal of an international safe-zone in Syria to stop the conflict in at least part of Syria. Russia flying sorties for the Assad Regime's offensive against the rebels is sure to create thousands of more refugees, and displace hundreds of thousands of civilians who understandably don't want to live under his regime, they need somewhere to go.

Ahh the old, Republican vs Democrat charade.
Remember when Bush jr. (republican party nominee) ran against classmate & bonesman Senator John Kerry (Democratic party nominee) in 2004?
Nothing fishy about that at all... We are the cornerstone of democracy for sure. Our government leaders could never lie to us.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/skull-and-bones/

How is CNN not US owned news?
Who owns it if not Americans?

International Safe Zone idea being pushed by American interests by one of the few countries who side with what we are doing in Syria... What would stop all the rebel insurgents we are backing and giving arms to from going and hiding within the safe zone to evade russian airstrikes and syrian ground forces???

[Grytviken]

Ahh the old, Republican vs Democrat charade.
Remember when Bush jr. (republican party nominee) ran against classmate & bonesman Senator John Kerry (Democratic party nominee) in 2004?
Nothing fishy about that at all... We are the cornerstone of democracy for sure. Our government leaders could never lie to us.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/skull-and-bones/

How is CNN not US owned news?
Who owns it if not Americans?

It's what you call
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_journalism

There is a difference, RT News is funded and censored by the Russian government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_strategic_organizations_of_Russia#Media

[Tibe]

How is CNN not US owned news?
Who owns it if not Americans?

Just because its owned by Americans does not necessarly mean its owned by the US. Russian news is straight up regulated by the government. Nobody is allowed to give out info "that could hurt the motherland" by the law. Imagine that and they call the West biased? 

This probably will not be a proxy war. Currently its just straight up war. US doing its regular thing of arming and training rebels that will probably go sideways again and Russia, basically mainly bombing US backed rebels and not ISIS and lying about claiming they are helping Assad. The only thing Russia cares about is making sure Syria will not be another pro-West state. And the US plan can easly go sideways again, even if it ends up working. US Trained rebels to guard their homes get bored and start raping their own lands, like it always happens.

[Grytviken]

International Safe Zone idea being pushed by American interests by one of the few countries who side with what we are doing in Syria... What would stop all the rebel insurgents we are backing and giving arms to from going and hiding within the safe zone to evade russian airstrikes and syrian ground forces???

  The majority of Syria is not under control of the Syrian government, they could barely defend their own capital city before the Russians intervened. There would have to be some sort of multilateral agreement to maintain the status quo.

[Sir_Hans]

I did not mean to imply that the government owns CNN.
But regardless if CNN is private or state owned, the opinions found within one can assume are American opinions.

I'll change the (american owned) title to make you nitwits happy.

[Tibe]

Pro-West opinionated. I dont really read cnn. If it has "those filthy socialist euros news", than pro-US.

[Sir_Hans]

  The majority of Syria is not under control of the Syrian government, they could barely defend their own capital city before the Russians intervened. There would have to be some sort of multilateral agreement to maintain the status quo.

Still what would stop all the rebel factions... The ones supplied by America, from going and hiding within this safe zone to avoid Russian air strikes and Syrian/Iranian ground forces?

[Grytviken]

Still what would stop all the rebel factions... The ones supplied by America, from going and hiding within this safe zone to avoid Russian air strikes and Syrian/Iranian ground forces?

  Are you sure the majority of the weapons they are using aren't Russian made weapons that were captured from the Assad regime?

  It would make sense that if it were to happen Russia would be involved in the multilateral solution.

[Sir_Hans]

Yeah, I am pretty sure. Russia is arming and supporting the Assad Regime, US is doing the same to a coalition of key rebel factions which happen to be Anti-ISIS as well as Anti-Assad regime.

U.S. is pretty open about how they are funding and arming rebel factions within syria that are against ISIS and also against Assad & the government of Syria.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/19/us-mideast-crisis-syria-aleppo-idUSKCN0SD16O20151019


"Opposition groups in Syria took a new turn in late 2011, during the Syrian Civil War, as they united to form the Syrian National Council (SNC),[4] which has received significant international support and recognition as a partner for dialogue. The Syrian National Council was recognized or supported in some capacity by at least 17 member states of the United Nations, with three of those (France, United Kingdom and the United States) being permanent members of the Security Council.[5][6][7][8][9][10] The Syrian National Council is considered to be influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood and include many affiliated members. The Islamic Front, a major anti-regime Islamist Sunni militia during the Syrian Civil War, is affiliated with the Syrian National Council."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_opposition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

[Asheram]

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[Sir_Hans]

Go away Asheram. 
and take your artery clogging weapon of mass destruction with you...

At least there is a bottle of pills in the picture, most likely to help the person who's eating that burger have better chances of survival.