On the question of Cheating

[Uulmshar]

They cheated before the battle

Proof?
Oh, you have none?
Then you're the lynch mob, in this scenario, and you have dragged us from the jail to hang without a trial. Bravo, Tristan. Very just.

[Bauer]

Why is raiding so taboo? It's an option and I used it. The objective of this small campaign was to make money. I wasn't going to leave empty handed. It's Largos' fault he shoved all his troops into the population. If he had just left his army outside I would have had no reason to raid him. Why the hell would I want that garbage castle after I saw what it looked like? I'd have gotten the hell out of there, totally defeated.

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

I notice that this thread is turning into a hating-on-Acre circle-jerk, with Tristan as the middle bitch.
Less than two months ago, when I first started playing - at your suggestion, Tristan - we always hung out in the Acre TS, and we were mercenaries for them quite a bit.
If they're such notorious cheaters, why would you introduce a new player to them? Why would you, yourself associate with them?
Maybe it's because you never did have a problem with Acre, and you're just hopping on the hate-on-acre bandwagon so you can feel like you belong again, after I left your shitty faction.

Lol, sure kid. Shitty faction, thats why I my faction has out performed Acre and HCE in almost every single way shape and form, or when it was literally just me and Rando we somehow managed to do more things on the strat map than the 30 man faction, and how basically by myself I managed to get rank 3 on the renown leader boards. And I was in HCE, and they were good people until all the good people left and now what remains are cheater and scum. The good cool players were people like W0lf and Cassander. However the entire faction is now trolls such as Bauer and Froi. You have literally no idea what you're talking about here. You're coming in with about a weeks worth of knowledge to about a year+ of history.

Think about it. The leaders of HCE, the true HCE, have left. The Emperor was even disgusted and left himself. There is no Empire. The 4/6 of the founding members have left the Empire. I've left. Not so Innocent Virgin has left. Blue has left. Bryggan has left. Every clan that was in it that isn't Acre has left. At this point its pretty obvious who is in the wrong. You steam roll anyone who tries to help you and deny any other plan than your own. You appoint people to positions and then over ride every decision they make. You drive people away who just want to help. Its not a mystery why everyone has left except maybe to you. At one point I really truly wanted to believe in the Holy chadzian Empire and you destroyed the dream by refusing to work with any of the other leaders. Whenever we came up with a plan, no one was shocked when Acre didn't hold up with their end of the plan. As long as they can sit in their city and farm troops. There is no We anymore. Theres just you(as in Acre).

You're even driving away you're on clan mates at this point because of the cheating. Its not hard to see who is in the wrong.

Copy and pasting my post from earlier today. I did want to believe that acre could be a good faction and for a long time it was. This blatant cheating however has changed my mind.

Proof?
Oh, you have none?
Then you're the lynch mob, in this scenario, and you have dragged us from the jail to hang without a trial. Bravo, Tristan. Very just.

Where's your proof they didn't?

Why is raiding so taboo? It's an option and I used it. The objective of this small campaign was to make money. I wasn't going to leave empty handed. It's Largos' fault he shoved all his troops into the population. If he had just left his army outside I would have had no reason to raid him. Why the hell would I want that garbage castle after I saw what it looked like? I'd have gotten the hell out of there, totally defeated.

Well, besides the fact that HCE strong armed every other faction into barring raiding months back is a pretty big sign that people are against it.

[Bauer]

Lol, sure kid. Shitty faction, thats why I my faction has out performed Acre and HCE in almost every single way shape and form, or when it was literally just me and Rando we somehow managed to do more things on the strat map than the 30 man faction, and how basically by myself I managed to get rank 3 on the renown leader boards. And I was in HCE, and they were good people until all the good people left and now what remains are cheater and scum. The good cool players were people like W0lf and Cassander. However the entire faction is now trolls such as Bauer and Froi. You have literally no idea what you're talking about here. You're coming in with about a weeks worth of knowledge to about a year+ of history.


Copy and pasting my post from earlier today. I did want to believe that acre could be a good faction and for a long time it was. This blatant cheating however has changed my mind.


Where's your proof they didn't?
Well, besides the fact that HCE strong armed every other faction into barring raiding months back is a pretty big sign that people are against it.

Well I have no bloody clue why someone suggested that I raid. I just did it. I still don't see what's wrong with it and if I see an opportunity in the future to advance myself in strat, I will take it, regardless of the community's very sensitive feelers.

[Uulmshar]

Lol, sure kid. Shitty faction, thats why I my faction has out performed Acre and HCE in almost every single way shape and form, or when it was literally just me and Rando we somehow managed to do more things on the strat map than the 30 man faction, and how basically by myself I managed to get rank 3 on the renown leader boards. And I was in HCE, and they were good people until all the good people left and now what remains are cheater and scum. The good cool players were people like W0lf and Cassander. However the entire faction is now trolls such as Bauer and Froi. You have literally no idea what you're talking about here. You're coming in with about a weeks worth of knowledge to about a year+ of history.

Outperformed HCE? With a clan full of your alts and inactive people? I definitely believe that.

blatant cheating

Again you say they're cheating with no proof.

Where's your proof they didn't?

That's not how the burden of proof works, dumbass. If you make an assertion, you need to back it up with evidence, not demand that others prove you wrong. Regardless, they never had a chance to defend themselves, as they didn't hear the accusation until the battle already stated and ban polls were going up.

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

Outperformed HCE? With a clan full of your alts and inactive people? I definitely believe that.
Again you say they're cheating with no proof.
That's not how the burden of proof works, dumbass. If you make an assertion, you need to back it up with evidence, not demand that others prove you wrong. Regardless, they never had a chance to defend themselves, as they didn't hear the accusation until the battle already stated and ban polls were going up.

I only have two characters I play on, so i dont see how thats how I have a clan full of alts... Also, clan=/=faction dumbass. Learn how Strategus works if you want to talk shit. Come back after you've done something besides go 1:40 in strat fights and we can have a serious conversation about this.

Here's some literature so you can actually read up on stuff thats happened in strat so you aren't an uninformed retard like you currently are:
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/legionaries-declare-eternal-war-on-acre-and-their-vassels/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/attention-all-strat-factions/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/eu-invasion-2015/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/a-threat-from-hce/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/congratulations-hce!/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/world-war-calradia/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/house-godfrey-breaks-alliance/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/the-abdication-of-the-great-king-james/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/yoshi-gives-to-the-poor/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/the-hounds-of-chulainn-continue-the-raiding-and-pillaging-of-hce-fiefs/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/empress-seeking-other-men!/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/chadzian-empire-is-taking-over-the-world/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/bootlegging-moonshine/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/moonshines-road-to-war/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/rogue-millitants-within-the-wotn/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/hce-should-have-cancelled-the-battle-against-the-berzserks/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/raids!!!/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/the-holy-chadzian-empire-declare-war-on-legionaries/
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/the-holy-chadzian-empire/

That should get you started. Have fun

[Uulmshar]

I only have two characters I play on, so i dont see how thats how I have a clan full of alts... Also, clan=/=faction dumbass. Learn how Strategus works if you want to talk shit. Come back after you've done something besides go 1:40 in strat fights and we can have a serious conversation about this.

If you're going to ignore my post and only point out that I used the wrong word way back on page one, then get out. You've lost the argument.

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

If you're going to ignore my post and only point out that I used the wrong word way back on page one, then get out. You've lost the argument.

"I'm uninformed and dont know how things work therefore you're wrong"

Fixed

[Bauer]

Then why was it suggested that I raid it, ffs? Also, the raiding-ban seems rather stupid. I suppose it's open season after this.

[Uulmshar]

Arguing with Tristan is like playing chess with a pigeon...
He has shat all over the board, knocked pieces everywhere, and is strutting around like he won.
I need to quit trying to argue with people like this.

[Bauer]

They gearbuged themselves last night, btw. They had construction material inside the fief. If you have anything in the fief it won't give you the peasant gear.

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

They gearbuged themselves last night, btw. They had construction material inside the fief. If you have anything in the fief it won't give you the peasant gear.

Uhm, except we didn't have construction material?

[Bauer]

If you're new to cRPG forums i have to warn you, dont treat a debate/argument here like you would IRL.

The point is, HCE were adamant and vehemently enforced a zero-tolerance policy on raiding under their old leadership. And regardless of NA shittalk with each other they always obeyed the golden rule 'never raid', the population's too low and there are too many fiefs. Raiding was considered a bitch-move and everyone acted like it was no longer an option in the game (and punished anyone who mistakenly raided).

Now that HCE are almost entirely run and populated by Acre that gentleman's agreement is suddenly out the window because it suddenly suits them. Can you really be surprised that the other factions that adhered to the 'No Raiding' rules are a bit pissed off when they find themselves suddenly on the receiving side of this?

Sometimes i hear the accusation that threads become an 'anti-acre circlejerk', well, if you had to guess a single NA faction to completely ignore a rule that benefited them in the past because it suits them to break that rule now, which faction would that be? Usually, the one with Acre in. I think a lot of people give Acre the benefit of the doubt, until they spend more time on the forums and reach their own conclusion.

Well, I was unaware of the agreement not to raid. I don't think it should be held against the entire faction. I apologize for raiding his fief. If you want to hold it against me, that would be fine. But please consider the no-raiding agreement still in tact. It won't happen again on my part unless everyone starts doing it to us as well.

[W0LF]

Honestly though what would you guys have done in our situation. During the field battle yesterday i asked bauer if largos was ready to attack since he had 1500 troops nearby, only to hear bauer tell me he turned them all into pop. Honestly idk why legos did this when he could have attacked bauer and outnumbered him. It is a dick move, but please look at it from our perspective. He couldve easily attacked bauer and outnumbered him but he decided to turn it into pop. So yes acre is full of dicks and we are all fuckboys, but please try not to freak out so much?

[Bauer]

Uhm, except we didn't have construction material?

You were throwing something at us, bud.