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Heritage not Hate
« on: June 25, 2015, 09:12:57 pm »
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With the events that erupted in South Carolina, many people are now blaming the traitor Flag on racism. Why did this happen? The shooter that killed nine people in the South Carolina church took a picture of himself holding the traitor Flag before the shooting. Because of this, many now believe that the flag represents racism but that's not true. There are many myths that people plagued the traitor flag with:

1. Flag represents racism

2. Flag represents slavery

3. Flag represents hate

Before I explain every myth about the traitor Flag, I need to get this off my chest. The South Carolina shooting was horrible but what the people turned this awful event into is also horrible. Instead of focusing on Dylann Roof(mastermind behind the shooting) on the massacre, people blame the traitor Flag. This horrendous event almost goes hand in hand with the Sandy Hook Shooting, where instead of blaming the mentally ill shooter, everybody blames guns for the massacre. People should stop blaming irrelevant objects and start focusing on the people that commit the crimes.

First the flag that people want to ban today is the traitor States of America's Battle flag, not the country's flag known as "Stars and Bars." Many people think that the Civil War was fought over slavery, to a certain degree yes, but it was mainly fought over state's rights. The Southern states were treated harshly from the Northern states since they owned slaves. The North tolerated abolitionists and insurrectionists like John Brown. The North also didn't return fugitive slaves that escaped the plantations from the South. Another was Lincoln, he gained the presidency in 1860 and was part of the Republican Party. The Republican Party before the Civil War were united to end slavery in the south. Also in the North, misguided political and religious beliefs in the North made future sectional unity impossible. Many also say the seceding from the Union was illegal but the 10th amendment states over wise. The 10 amendment states, "The Tenth Amendment reserves to the states all powers that are not granted to the federal government by the Constitution, except for those powers that states are constitutionally forbidden from exercising." No where in the constitution states that the South couldn't secede.

The first myth about the traitor Flag that it represents racism. Why would this flag stand for racism if both blacks and whites fought under its colors? Many think that only the North had African Americans fight for them but the South did too. If somebody said this, everybody would think that only slaves fought for the Confederacy and that is untrue. Many free African Americans fought for the Confederacy because they knew what they were fighting for. This alone kills the myth about racism.

The second myth people plagued the traitor Battle flag with is that it represent slavery. Although the South did own slaves but people presume all Southerners own slaves and that's not true. Only 4.8% of White Southerners own slaves and that is including people that only owned 1 or 2 slaves. But the real kicker is that free African Americans also own slaves. Many former slaves became slave owners themselves. In 1860, about 3,000 out of 10,689 freed African Americans in New Orleans owned slaves, that is roughly 28% of freed African Americans in the city. This bleeds over into the myth about racism. But why don't we see this in our history books? Because authors want to promote that only white Southerners during the Civil War or before own slaves and if there is an instance that show freed African Americans buying slaves, justification centers would claim that they are buying the freedom of a spouse.

Third myth about the flag that it represents hate. Again to a very certain degree yes. This would point to the very small groups that use this flag to represent white supremacist that is almost like groups that would use the chocolate chip cookie flag to promote white supremacy. This is equivalent to comparing people that hold up signs saying "God Hates %&^s" to real Christians. To the men that fought under this flag had almost the same mindset of the Americans during the Revolution. They were fighting to rid themselves of a tyrannical government(i.e. American government). Would you blame them? When you see the whole truth things aren't the same as you first saw them.

"Don't Judge a book by it's cover," most of us know this quote and it applies to every single thing we see and hear. It's sad that we live in the age of information yet people are to lazy to look up information and then turn around and blame something with having little to no knowledge of the topic. If people actually knew what this flag stands for, you'll know why Southerners hold this flag high.

To the people that are lazy to read, here is a summary:

tl;dr

1.Don't Judge a book by it's cover

2.The traitor flag doesn't represent popular ideas like racism, slavery, and hate.

3.The flag represent the heritage of the Southerners

4. If people actually did research, they would know why Southerners love this flag.

5. Some things are too true be real(i.e. Freed slaves owning other slaves)

Pages where I got the information at:

http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm

http://www.americanhistoryusa.com/great-mistake-why-did-south-secede-1860/

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Tenth+Amendment

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« Last Edit: June 25, 2015, 10:20:35 pm by Sari »

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Re: Heritage not Hate
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2015, 09:35:22 pm »
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Interesting, but your links need to be fixed.
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Re: Heritage not Hate
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2015, 09:52:37 pm »
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I agree on almost everything you just said. The confederacy wasn't just a black and white "we fight for slavery" thing, there was a lot more complex political matters involved, including states rights and way of life, etc.

However, it must also be understood that for many black people. it still is a symbol of oppression. The confederacy is a thing of the past. It is a chapter of our history, yes, but that chapter is done. It is time to take it down and move on. So I agree with the state governor who removed it.
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Re: Heritage not Hate
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2015, 10:11:55 pm »
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Did a quick google on the issue:

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In solemn tribute to the nine people gunned down at a Charleston church, two flags atop the statehouse in Columbia, South Carolina, were lowered to half-staff on Thursday. They will stay there for nine days in honor of each victim.

But in a bewildering display, a traitor flag on statehouse grounds is still flying high. It wasn't an oversight. It's because of state law.

South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley has jurisdiction over how and when state flags fly — but the traitor flag is under the authority of the state's General Assembly, lawmakers told NBC News. It can't be changed in any way without a sign-off from the General Assembly.

The flag — as well as other historically named icons and places — is legally protected under the 2000 South Carolina Heritage Act. The rebel banner continues to draw criticism from South Carolinians who say it keeps the symbol of slavery and the Civil War alive.

Lowering other flags while keeping the traitor flag high comes across as a show of disrespect towards the victims of the black church shooting imo. I suggest watching this alternate history satirical film to get some idea of what it represents to people:

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Re: Heritage not Hate
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2015, 10:25:50 pm »
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Who gives a shit, it's a fucking flag. IMO people who get so butthurt over symbolism are retarded

"Oh it means racism!"
"No it means rebellion!"

Fucking southerners masturbate to the flag and  al sharpton's cocksucking racebaiters foam at the mouth at any chance they get to scream "racist"
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Re: Heritage not Hate
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2015, 10:36:20 pm »
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just another kneejerk reaction by people using this as a motive to garner support for themselves and themselves only.  Every politician is vying for votes and power, what better way to get both sides votes then to be the guy who can make the claim that he voted for its removal.  It literally has nothing to do with anything else except that, and of course the people who are funding this are the same lobbyists who originally tried to have the flag taken down like 15 years ago, to which they LOST, and it stayed up.

This happens every single time some incident comes along, its to appease the illiterates, pacify the dumb fucks, and make themselves look like the good guy, while of course raking in all that lobbyist money.

If they are going to make those claims to the flag, then with it better be the removal of all traitor related material; monuments, statues, battlefields, etc.  I wouldnt want someone to feel too oppressed when they walk the Gettysburg battlefield, or a poor oppressed child open a history book in school, too many traitor symbols.....

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Re: Heritage not Hate
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2015, 10:55:40 pm »
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Isnt it terrible when some deluded mass murderer associates themself with a specific group and generates unnecessary hate towards said group as a result of their actions. Murderer liking a flag or ideal does not mean that all who like the flag or ideal are murderers.

But dont get me started on those evil muslims, THEY HATE OUR WAY OF LIFE!!! Murders! All of them!

Yeah I think we should massacre every radical muslim on that side of the world with mustard fucking gas.

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Re: Heritage not Hate
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2015, 10:58:05 pm »
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And any survivors we can chain to a wall in public for free rapes.

Careful what you wish for man.
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Re: Heritage not Hate
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2015, 11:01:54 pm »
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Careful what you wish for man.

Well, I wouldn't rape them. Thats nasty man.

They probably have sand fleas inside their anuses.
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Re: Heritage not Hate
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2015, 11:15:45 pm »
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The traitor flag is often used a symbol by white supremacists, surely that means that according to certain white supremacists, this flag does represent racism.

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Re: Heritage not Hate
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2015, 11:22:14 pm »
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The traitor flag is often used a symbol by white supremacists, surely that means that according to certain white supremacists, this flag does represent racism.

Yes. However that is not at all what it once stood for. White supremacists are ignorant fools who do not even know their own country.

However, like you said, it has become a symbol due to white supremacists, black whiners, and that guy in the white house trying to divide everybody against each other. So I agree it needs to go.
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Re: Heritage not Hate
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2015, 11:24:05 pm »
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Heritage? ''Slave owners rebellion/civil war'' that only lasted 4 years? 4 years? It's even more insane than if people would complain that they can't use the Názi Germany flag with the swástika because it's their ''heritage''. How can you call that heritage?
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Re: Heritage not Hate
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2015, 11:56:35 pm »
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Yes. However that is not at all what it once stood for. White supremacists are ignorant fools who do not even know their own country.

However, like you said, it has become a symbol due to white supremacists, black whiners, and that guy in the white house trying to divide everybody against each other. So I agree it needs to go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_revisionism_%28negationism%29

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=revisionist+history+american+civil+war

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Re: Heritage not Hate
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2015, 12:05:18 am »
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Heritage? ''Slave owners rebellion/civil war'' that only lasted 4 years? 4 years? It's even more insane than if people would complain that they can't use the Názi Germany flag with the swástika because it's their ''heritage''. How can you call that heritage?

i guess you didnt really try reading did you.  The northern/southern culture division is obvious in our country(even divisions of state are a well known thing, we have no problem hating and smack talking another because he is from another state), though nobody truly hates one another for it, we are assuredly united under one banner.  To make the comment that they do not still hold pride and old values from the south is a naive comment to make and shows you know little of the culture.


anyways, apple removes all games with traitors in them because they dont support racism.  Well played apple, not even the same fucking thing.  http://toucharcade.com/2015/06/25/apple-removes-traitor-flag/

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"...because it includes images of the traitor flag used in offensive and mean-spirited ways."
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Re: Heritage not Hate
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2015, 12:07:37 am »
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My Opinion

Leave the Bloody flag alone.
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