American elections 2016

[BlindGuy]

Personally, as far as I could follow the incidents from 2008-now, I think Obama had very very good rudiments.
For me it looks like he couldnt do a shit  bcause he is somehow, does not really matter in which way,  tributary to some ppl "above" him.

It really feels like he does some decisicions because ppl around him push him to it, I actually dont have enough proof for this.


What I want to say: For me, both are/would be very good presidents overall, just the presence (first black president/woman) makes the world a bit better somehow, even though they cant really change much, sadly.


I agree, she made some weird statements so far, but I think the world needs a world #1 woman, again, after Kleopatra.

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1/ Cleo wasn't especially good looking, but since she was a sociopathic ruler noone argued when she said she was good looking. Anyway, thats besides the point.

You wrote 'ppl "above" him' and I like that you have seen that, so hard to explain to people that democracy as they think it exists cannot ever exist. Lets make an analogy:

You need a surgery, on your heart, so your life can continue, do you:

1/ Get someone who has trained for years for this, has lots of successful experience in heart surgery and is payed simply to save peoples lives... OR

2/ you hold auditions and select someone to operate on your heart based on the fact that they have been a janitor or a nurse for years and really really wants to try their ideas about heart surgery on a live patient? They will then operate on you for a few minutes, then you are gonna hold another audition for hospital personnel who want to be surgeons, and let

You pick 1, right? Get a proffesional who works at it fulltime, has been trained to do and has a lot of experience.

Same with running a country. If you want it to WORK you have professionals run it all the time.

The idea that voting, or who gets elected, will make any difference to who runs it and how your country is run is farcical at best, downright lunacy at worst.

[DonNicko]

Said by a Russian 

Xant you are so Xant, that was about christian values. Stop being russophob

[Admerius]

1/ Cleo wasn't especially good looking, but since she was a sociopathic ruler noone argued when she said she was good looking. Anyway, thats besides the point.

You wrote 'ppl "above" him' and I like that you have seen that, so hard to explain to people that democracy as they think it exists cannot ever exist. Lets make an analogy:

You need a surgery, on your heart, so your life can continue, do you:

1/ Get someone who has trained for years for this, has lots of successful experience in heart surgery and is payed simply to save peoples lives... OR

2/ you hold auditions and select someone to operate on your heart based on... the fact that they have been a janitor or a nurse for years and really really wants to try their ideas about heart surgery on a live patient? They will then operate on you for a few minutes, then you are gonna hold another audition for hospital personnel who want to be surgeons, and let

You pick 1, right? Get a proffesional who works at it fulltime, has been trained to do and has a lot of experience.

Same with running a country. If you want it to WORK you have professionals run it all the time.

The idea that voting, or who gets elected, will make any difference to who runs it and how your country is run is farcical at best, downright lunacy at worst.

You forgot option 3.

3/ You do not elect one alone, the whole community participates in electing a heart surgeon based on the candidate's "expertise"

By Expertise I mean:
-They must seem more moral than their competitor
-They need to have the flashiest and most frequent ads
-They must appear to never ever have done anything wrong that the "average joe" can't identify with
-They must argue with passion why they are the best heart surgeon(maybe even use "facts" if necessary)
-In some cases facts are used to argue why just he(or she) should become a heart surgeon. However this must be kept to a minimum since seeming "too brainy" turns too many voters away.
-They must also get funding through donations, which means they argue for a type of heart surgery that requires a lot of treatment after the operation(drugs and other services) or they can't afford the ads(point 2) etc.

[Tibe]

Xant you are so Xant, that was about christian values. Stop being russophob

Yeah Xant. Dont you know russians are kind and highly cultured people. And if USA didnt always sabotage Russias friendships with Europe, they could be friends and live in harmony forever. If USA didnt exsist, Russia would be rich and peacefully friends with the whole world. No war. Ever. 

Nickö pls....you dont actually believe that do you? Russia aint no teddy bear. Its a gigantic actual bear that likes to eat people. Without NATO, your stupid country would be in war with entire East-Europe by now. Russia wants to war, mybe even more than USA, it just cant do it, without being sneaky.

[DonNicko]

Yeah Xant. Dont you know russians are kind and highly cultured people. And if USA didnt always sabotage Russias friendships with Europe, they could be friends and live in harmony forever. If USA didnt exsist, Russia would be rich and peacefully friends with the whole world. No war. Ever. 

Nickö pls....you dont actually believe that do you? Russia aint no teddy bear. Its a gigantic actual bear that likes to eat people. Without NATO, your stupid country would be in war with entire East-Europe by now. Russia wants to war, mybe even more than USA, it just cant do it, without being sneaky.

Tibe fuck stop being so stupid, I was talking about christian values, read carefully what I was talking about, becuase you sound like a stupid blind sheep.

[Xant]

Well, I don't think a stupid blind sheep would actually sound any different than a normal healthy one. Stupidity or blindness shouldn't interfere with the function of the sheep's throat.

[Paul]

Go to the Ukraine thread for that. This one here is about why vaccines are bad.

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[DonNicko]

Well, I don't think a stupid blind sheep would actually sound any different than a normal healthy one. Stupidity or blindness shouldn't interfere with the function of the sheep's throat.

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[ecorcheur_brokar]

https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10152873248924228

I don't have time to read it right now, but I remember that in the 10% richest people in France and USA, the richer they are the fewer actual property (land) they have. In fact the top 1% have almost all their capital placed on financial products.

Anyway, I don't think the american gouvernement will do anything against inequality in the next decades. The system is so corrupted by lobbies and money for campain, no politician has interest in working against the richest of the country.

[Xant]

I don't have time to read it right now, but I remember that in the 10% richest people in France and USA, the richer they are the fewer actual property (land) they have. In fact the top 1% have almost all their capital placed on financial products.

Anyway, I don't think the american gouvernement will do anything against inequality in the next decades. The system is so corrupted by lobbies and money for campain, no politician has interest in working against the richest of the country.

I can see you didn't read it. I'm not sure why you're commenting on it, that being the case.

[Sharpe]

That wasn't what I was asking for and you know that.

What makes Obama the worst president in US history?

As many people in my small Pa town might say, he created Obamacare and he is a socialist pig.

[Tagora]

Clearly Bernie Sanders is the only worthy candidate.

[Sharpe]

You know, Sharpe,  I might go to school out that way next year.

I know I'm going to Wilkes-Barre for school next year, its "close".

[Clockworkkiller]

No love for Rand Paul?

[Tagora]

No love for Rand Paul?

It's admirable what he's doing to prevent the Freedom Act from passing but other then that, his ideology is frightening, and he represents some very silly people with silly opinions.