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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2015, 04:40:32 am »
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Please put the rp in italics. PLEASE!!!



Edit: Also a TL;DR would help out as well.
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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2015, 05:26:32 am »
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Bryggan grumbled, "she's a fine woman.  Bloodthirsty and treacherous, just like I like em. 

Who knew, a man whom is "holy" enjoys Bloodthirsty and Treachery, and its his wife!... Pure Gold RP +1
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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #62 on: June 11, 2015, 10:11:04 am »
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Please put the rp in italics. PLEASE!!!
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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2015, 10:23:09 am »
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the rp

And McDeath said "Fuck you you stupid ass nigga."

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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2015, 10:37:33 am »
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Sometimes I call my white friends 'crackers'.  But not in public around other white people.

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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2015, 11:43:46 am »
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This sort of thing annoys me.  The Berserks attack us and we fight back, and we get crap from the community for attacking 'noobs' such as Lumetta and VonCrow.  Then, when a real noob comes, he gets ganked 2 to 1.  A fine first battle.

So, help me out here.  A new guy comes, seems interested, posts against our Holy chadzian Empire and calls people to arms against us.  Then Moonshine offers him a village right on our borders, so he says 'no'.  Then Tristan offers him a village far away from us, one that we had no intention of holding, right in the midst of our other enemies and he says 'yes'.  Makes sense, yes?

Then an enemy of us attacks this other enemy of ours, and people get up at this shitty time to crush this poor guy.  His first battle has only one kill before we are spawn raped and flags capped.

Ganks happen despite what we have tried in the past to make battles fun, but I feel no one on the opposing side wanted a fun battle.  Nobody looked at the rosters and said, 'hey, I'll try even this out'.  Is it because I said I will try guarantee Pelagor's independence?  Were you trying to stop the expansion of the HCE even though I said I did not want Doom Carrot as a vassal?  You all say you want more factions, but yet you force people to join one side or the other.

And that makes Strat boring.

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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #66 on: June 11, 2015, 12:13:19 pm »
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This sort of thing annoys me.  The Berserks attack us and we fight back, and we get crap from the community for attacking 'noobs' such as Lumetta and VonCrow.  Then, when a real noob comes, he gets ganked 2 to 1.  A fine first battle.

So, help me out here.  A new guy comes, seems interested, posts against our Holy chadzian Empire and calls people to arms against us.  Then Moonshine offers him a village right on our borders, so he says 'no'.  Then Tristan offers him a village far away from us, one that we had no intention of holding, right in the midst of our other enemies and he says 'yes'.  Makes sense, yes?

Then an enemy of us attacks this other enemy of ours, and people get up at this shitty time to crush this poor guy.  His first battle has only one kill before we are spawn raped and flags capped.

Ganks happen despite what we have tried in the past to make battles fun, but I feel no one on the opposing side wanted a fun battle.  Nobody looked at the rosters and said, 'hey, I'll try even this out'.  Is it because I said I will try guarantee Pelagor's independence?  Were you trying to stop the expansion of the HCE even though I said I did not want Doom Carrot as a vassal?  You all say you want more factions, but yet you force people to join one side or the other.

And that makes Strat boring.

Well, it was more 3-1 or 4-1 when it all came down to who actually showed up.

Also, most of my weapons were desperately bought with 1.2k silver just hours after the battle was declared, (cough cough because moonshine didn't even give me FIFTEEN minutes to transfer some of my new 320k silver out of Dashbigha cough cough) so I could transfer them into the village before reinforcment time ran out. So we had pitchforks and shortswords lol  :rolleyes:

It wasn't a battle. No. It was a massacre.

Thus, the EOP declares war on the bootleggers. The war shall not be abated nor shall I agree to any terms of neutrality against those wearing the green banner until the village of Dashbigha is returned.
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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #67 on: June 11, 2015, 12:26:04 pm »
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This sort of thing annoys me.  The Berserks attack us and we fight back, and we get crap from the community for attacking 'noobs' such as Lumetta and VonCrow.  Then, when a real noob comes, he gets ganked 2 to 1.  A fine first battle.

So, help me out here.  A new guy comes, seems interested, posts against our Holy chadzian Empire and calls people to arms against us.  Then Moonshine offers him a village right on our borders, so he says 'no'.  Then Tristan offers him a village far away from us, one that we had no intention of holding, right in the midst of our other enemies and he says 'yes'.  Makes sense, yes?

Then an enemy of us attacks this other enemy of ours, and people get up at this shitty time to crush this poor guy.  His first battle has only one kill before we are spawn raped and flags capped.

Ganks happen despite what we have tried in the past to make battles fun, but I feel no one on the opposing side wanted a fun battle.  Nobody looked at the rosters and said, 'hey, I'll try even this out'.  Is it because I said I will try guarantee Pelagor's independence?  Were you trying to stop the expansion of the HCE even though I said I did not want Doom Carrot as a vassal?  You all say you want more factions, but yet you force people to join one side or the other.

And that makes Strat boring.

The problem with this fight wasn't the rosters.  It was the time.  There's no back and forth number crunching.  It becomes a matter of 'Get the most people signed up, and pray people are awake at the time of the battle.'  it's not like a prime time battle where you can look at the Steam list and say, 'Great fight about to happen, want in?' 

Now if you want to know the reasoning behind the attack.  First off, right now, I'm a one man clan.  Second, I offered Tash Kulun to Doom_Carrot.  This is a direct quote from his response:  "It is not that I am hostile towards any of the other factions on the map, however I am allied with the HCE, and will shortly be recieving a fief transfer. I appreciate your generous offer;(relations with another faction here), I would not like to risk offending the HCE by rejecting an alliance that I have already agreed upon."

At that point I wrote to him, and told him, in strat... the last thing you want to do as a new faction, or as new member, is to ally with a faction that is already at war.  The allies of one, are counted as enemies in war.  As an enemy of HCE, I gave him a two day respite.  I didn't know where he was on the map.  I didn't know what fief he was getting.  I had my own plans, and my eyes were on Dashbiga.  Here's his response:  "I wish I could revoke my alliance. However, I need the support of the HCE should stronger factions raid my land as much as the HCE needs people like me to tend their land and create buffers between them and their enemies.  I wish you luck, should we ever meet on the field of battle again."

At this point, he knows what he's up against.  He's holding to his alliance (like a good clan leader), and by all accounts, he's appearing as a vassal to HCE.  So is he REALLY safe in the steppes?  No.  He even acknowledges that the fief is still an HCE fief (hence the 'tend their land')

If he wants Tash Kulun, it can still be his.  As it appears, HCE has rejected his alliance.  Even then, that rejection didn't come until AFTER the attack had been scheduled.  What should I have done?  Walked away from my own army? 

This was solely a roleplaying decision to hit his fief.  The difference is, I'll give him a clean slate, providing HCE continues to renounce his alliance.  HCE never gives such mercy.  ;-)  I can't speak for others though... only the Bootlegger(s)

Now, one more point...  stop it with the roster posture. 

The battle for Tash Kulun, as an example.  At one point, I had 5 mercs signed.  HCE had 19.  How was that even?  'Oh, but you might have ninja'd...'  I'm sure that's what James would say.  I don't know how many battles I've 'commanded' this round, but of them all, only one had been ninja'd.  That was an undeclared war with the Starks, when they were on their afk run.  We ninja'd, we won.  I was trying to make a point about declaring wars and what not.  I thought the point was received.  ;-)

Anyway, we're in constant talks, you and I.  That battle ended up as a 17 vs 21 battle, and went down to the wire.  It was a great fight. 

But take a look at these:

http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattleroster&id=4394  21 HCE vs 11 Zerks
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattleroster&id=4362 32 HCE vs 9 Squids

I could go deeper.  'Oh well, they might ninja...'  And you know what, valid point.  But at what point do you have to look at your own house?  When do you guys stop, and say, 'Wait, we should make these things a little more fair...'  Maybe if the rosters weren't lopsided, or the armies, or the advantages... then things may balance out... but in the mean time, your enemies are fighting you the same way you fight them. 



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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #68 on: June 11, 2015, 12:38:43 pm »
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The problem with this fight wasn't the rosters.  It was the time.  There's no back and forth number crunching.  It becomes a matter of 'Get the most people signed up, and pray people are awake at the time of the battle.'  it's not like a prime time battle where you can look at the Steam list and say, 'Great fight about to happen, want in?' 

Now if you want to know the reasoning behind the attack.  First off, right now, I'm a one man clan.  Second, I offered Tash Kulun to Doom_Carrot.  This is a direct quote from his response:  "It is not that I am hostile towards any of the other factions on the map, however I am allied with the HCE, and will shortly be recieving a fief transfer. I appreciate your generous offer;(relations with another faction here), I would not like to risk offending the HCE by rejecting an alliance that I have already agreed upon."

At that point I wrote to him, and told him, in strat... the last thing you want to do as a new faction, or as new member, is to ally with a faction that is already at war.  The allies of one, are counted as enemies in war.  As an enemy of HCE, I gave him a two day respite.  I didn't know where he was on the map.  I didn't know what fief he was getting.  I had my own plans, and my eyes were on Dashbiga.  Here's his response:  "I wish I could revoke my alliance. However, I need the support of the HCE should stronger factions raid my land as much as the HCE needs people like me to tend their land and create buffers between them and their enemies.  I wish you luck, should we ever meet on the field of battle again."

At this point, he knows what he's up against.  He's holding to his alliance (like a good clan leader), and by all accounts, he's appearing as a vassal to HCE.  So is he REALLY safe in the steppes?  No.  He even acknowledges that the fief is still an HCE fief (hence the 'tend their land')

If he wants Tash Kulun, it can still be his.  As it appears, HCE has rejected his alliance.  Even then, that rejection didn't come until AFTER the attack had been scheduled.  What should I have done?  Walked away from my own army? 

This was solely a roleplaying decision to hit his fief.  The difference is, I'll give him a clean slate, providing HCE continues to renounce his alliance.  HCE never gives such mercy.  ;-)  I can't speak for others though... only the Bootlegger(s)

Now, one more point...  stop it with the roster posture. 

The battle for Tash Kulun, as an example.  At one point, I had 5 mercs signed.  HCE had 19.  How was that even?  'Oh, but you might have ninja'd...'  I'm sure that's what James would say.  I don't know how many battles I've 'commanded' this round, but of them all, only one had been ninja'd.  That was an undeclared war with the Starks, when they were on their afk run.  We ninja'd, we won.  I was trying to make a point about declaring wars and what not.  I thought the point was received.  ;-)

Anyway, we're in constant talks, you and I.  That battle ended up as a 17 vs 21 battle, and went down to the wire.  It was a great fight. 

But take a look at these:

http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattleroster&id=4394  21 HCE vs 11 Zerks
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattleroster&id=4362 32 HCE vs 9 Squids

I could go deeper.  'Oh well, they might ninja...'  And you know what, valid point.  But at what point do you have to look at your own house?  When do you guys stop, and say, 'Wait, we should make these things a little more fair...'  Maybe if the rosters weren't lopsided, or the armies, or the advantages... then things may balance out... but in the mean time, your enemies are fighting you the same way you fight them.

To put some things in context here, I recieved MANY invitations to join clans/factions, ally with them, or become a vassal. Many of the people who offered me to join them were an HCE enemy, and I DID NOT own the fief at that point. So, in order to keep the transfer, I had to reject some of HCE's enemy's offers (not pointing any fingers), which led to me being pushed around by a handful of factions to declare my friendship with someone which I obviously did with the HCE.

When you think of it this way: "Hmm, I told HCE I would accept their land, I am friendly with HCE, and now their potential enemies are asking me to ally with them... But I don't want to piss off the HCE by taking their fief AND becoming their enemy, because that's a dick move, so I will reject these proposals and risk getting raped and pray that the HCE supports the guy they just gave some land to."

It was really impossible to get started without a larger faction to help me get on my feet, but for that I needed to stay at least temperarily friendly and cooperative with them, which caused a few people to not like me, thus I tried to.... frighten them into not raping me to prolapse by saying that I am an ally of HCE as of now and they will help me defend against raiders. Which actually is turning out to be kind of true ironically lol   :lol:

The reason I said that to you, moonshine, was because I was warned by someone that you may possibly attack my village before we even started talking. Thus, when you asked me to revoke my friendship or "alliance" with the HCE, I had 2 choices:

1. Revoke it, take the transfer and (probably) not have any allies to help me keep the village if LL or you attacked, or:

2. Say that I would remain loyal to the HCE as of now, fighting their enemies and liking their allies, and hoping that they would back me up if I were to get attacked by LL or you.
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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #69 on: June 11, 2015, 12:40:39 pm »
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It was really impossible to get started without a larger faction to help me get on my feet, but for that I needed to stay at least temperarily friendly and cooperative with them, which caused a few people to not like me, thus I tried to.... frighten them into not raping me to prolapse by saying that I am an ally of HCE as of now and they will help me defend against raiders. Which actually is turning out to be kind of true ironically lol   :lol:

Ah, but that blade has two edges.  You found this out.  ;-) 

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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2015, 12:51:52 pm »
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Actually it was me bitching about you ninja rostering, James was the only one saying you didn't. Doom Carrot is in no way an HCE vassal. We decided to give him a fief since he was new, i fail to see how that is a crime. And yeah you ninja rostered House Stark after saying you were quitting and that we could have all your fiefs, then the minute we attacked you messaged NSIV saying "Lol nvm we're coming back lolol" and hired a roster a minute before the battle started then proceeded to do jack shit up until now.

And the only reason we had 32vs9 for the squid battle was because they attacked us during the tourney and everyone was pissed off at them and merced against them
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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #71 on: June 11, 2015, 01:34:50 pm »
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Actually it was me bitching about you ninja rostering, James was the only one saying you didn't. Doom Carrot is in no way an HCE vassal. We decided to give him a fief since he was new, i fail to see how that is a crime. And yeah you ninja rostered House Stark after saying you were quitting and that we could have all your fiefs, then the minute we attacked you messaged NSIV saying "Lol nvm we're coming back lolol" and hired a roster a minute before the battle started then proceeded to do jack shit up until now.

And the only reason we had 32vs9 for the squid battle was because they attacked us during the tourney and everyone was pissed off at them and merced against them

I never made such a claim Tristan.  I said you could have Caraf Castle.  Not Assuadi.  Not Tilbaut.  Not Tadsamesh.  So when you attacked Assuadi, unprovoked, you got your asses handed to you.  By peasants.  Starks had 10 sign, Astralis had 15 sign.  Not horribly overpowering.  You ended up with 6 guys showing up for you, and we had 11.  You were well geared too I might add.  Did I mention there wasn't a sword amongst us?

The odds were in your favor, and it was your battle to lose.   And you did.

Oh, and would you like to know why I haven't done jack shit up until now?  Pretty simple.  I let my 1400 man army, with plate, die out in November.  Back when strat was supposed to end.  I decided, you know what, Strat is supposed to end, I'll focus on the holidays.  So did a lot of other people.  So when I came back around to strat, I had to rebuild.  When you're solo, running around, it can take time to make the trades happen, get some gear, and start doing things again. 

You on the other hand, didn't start doing ANYTHING until Strat was in easy mode.  You got to take a bunch of fiefs that no one defended.  You got to use a bunch of SnD that no one cared about.  You went on cruise control.  You Tristan, have done Jack Shit in the strat world.  You've been active for what?  5 months?  Please.  ;-)





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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #72 on: June 11, 2015, 05:44:19 pm »
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For the record that HCE battle vs the squids had a huge roster advantage because Calamari left the faction and couldn't sign anyone up. They made a last minute attempt to have Thumper higher people and at that point it was too late. Also only 16 of the 32 showed up and 6 of the squids 9 showed up.

On the zerks battle of the 21 vs 11 only 12 HCE guys showed up and 7 zerks showed up.

My point is that HCE has a lot of its members sign up and not make the battle. You can't base fights off of rosters but by who was there.
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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #73 on: June 11, 2015, 07:21:28 pm »
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I think Moonshine pointed this out, but giving a fief you took from another faction in a still active war, doesn't mean it's no longer involved in that war. That is not how war works, if you give away land in dispute it doesn't mean it's no longer in dispute. Honestly giving this new player this specific fief was a dick move. It was asking to have him attacked.
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Re: Bootlegging Moonshine
« Reply #74 on: June 11, 2015, 09:10:10 pm »
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I never made such a claim Tristan.  I said you could have Caraf Castle.  Not Assuadi.  Not Tilbaut.  Not Tadsamesh.  So when you attacked Assuadi, unprovoked, you got your asses handed to you.  By peasants.  Starks had 10 sign, Astralis had 15 sign.  Not horribly overpowering.  You ended up with 6 guys showing up for you, and we had 11.  You were well geared too I might add.  Did I mention there wasn't a sword amongst us?

The odds were in your favor, and it was your battle to lose.   And you did.

Oh, and would you like to know why I haven't done jack shit up until now?  Pretty simple.  I let my 1400 man army, with plate, die out in November.  Back when strat was supposed to end.  I decided, you know what, Strat is supposed to end, I'll focus on the holidays.  So did a lot of other people.  So when I came back around to strat, I had to rebuild.  When you're solo, running around, it can take time to make the trades happen, get some gear, and start doing things again. 

You on the other hand, didn't start doing ANYTHING until Strat was in easy mode.  You got to take a bunch of fiefs that no one defended.  You got to use a bunch of SnD that no one cared about.  You went on cruise control.  You Tristan, have done Jack Shit in the strat world.  You've been active for what?  5 months?  Please.  ;-)

I haven't done jack shit but have over 200 battles in the 7 months i've been playing, whereas you've provided like what 4? I may have not been active before hand but i've done more in 7 months than you've ever done based on everything I know of past strats from mercing in every single one since Strat 1.

Also since November you could easily have another 1400 man shiny army. As a solo player you'd make roughly 720 troops a month, so you should have almost a 8,000 man army by now not a 200 man. And the reason I didn't start playing strat until it was "easy mode" was because thats when someone messaged me and asked my to join their faction. I would've started playing earlier if someone had asked me too, I just didn't want to play solo and was too lazy to look for and join a faction.
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