[Poll] Alternative 2h stab animations.

[Senni__Ti]

Looks good.

Also, any video or demonstration as of yet?

I like the pose itself and it looks like you peeked into German school of fencing for the reference, which I always was a big fan of.

Never imagined you to actually be useful, Senni. ;)

Oh you 

No video yet, only just got back from lectures.

I'm going to make a couple more frames, then have blender interpolate inbetween for the rest of the frames/anim (video then)

[MURDERTRON]

the flamberge use the polearm animation.
If you modify this animation, all polarms would be affected.

If you want to keep the actual animation for katana and to use this one for the other 2h, you need to use a new animation slot and it's not possible if i remember (already mensionned for nudge stuf if i'm not wrong)

It would be awesome if it was possible, we can add the half hand fight animation or other stuff like that but i doubt that this is possible

This is an awful argument.  You're saying "dont fix all the other 2hs in the game because we have to maintain the sanctity of the katana."  Man, fuck the katana and the horse it rode in on.

[Jack1]

Taking away the 2h stab animation would probably be the last dagger that kills off the class.

[MURDERTRON]

Taking away the 2h stab animation would probably be the last dagger that kills off the class.

Why?  Once the polearm up and right swings are toned down, 2h will have the best swings in the game.

[Jack1]

Why?  Once the polearm up and right swings are toned down, 2h will have the best swings in the game.

because

polearm=
longest 4d weapon. long voulge>Danish greatsword
highest damage. awlpike>Morningstar
fastest(from a decent weapon). long axe>bastard sword

there is a polearm that will beat a 2h in literally any situation.

[lombardsoup]

Just nerf polearm next once 2h lolstab is nerfed, then everyone is miserable

[Kalp]

highest damage. awlpike>Morningstar

What  :

[Austrian]

Senni, you can't imagine how happy you made me :3

[Jack1]

What  :

Stabs do much more damage in game when you being in speed bonuses and are not just looking at out of game stats.

[Teeth]

there is a polearm that will beat a 2h in literally any situation.

How exactly is this relevant in any way?

[MURDERTRON]

How exactly is this relevant in any way?

More importantly, how can he make this statement knowing that 2 of the pole arm attack animations are going to get nerfed?.  That is half of the animations, for those who are counting.

And while the awlpike does generally do mor damage than the Morningstar, when it hits, it's a much harder weapon to use.  It requires wiggle stabs because honest straight stabs just glance since polearm stab was nerfed.  A more fair comparison would be the Morningstar and bec.  But we all know 41 is more than 37.

[Bjord]

Taking away the 2h stab animation would probably be the last dagger that kills off the class.

Do you have any other arguments other than just opinions?

I probably have a lot more hours in the class than you and I believe that while thrust certainly is the Sunday punch of 2h, changing the thrust animation isn't going to change this fact.

Honestly, even if polearmer are superior to 2h in theory, the speed and animations of 2h more than make up for their weaknesses.

The thrust looks quick and powerful, but a bit shorter than before. That means that longer thrusting weapons will have an edge on 2h, but as soon as you can close in on someone while wielding, say a Longsword, you pretty much have the edge on them in every way as long as you're focused.

It's all about angles and mind games, anyway.

More importantly, how can he make this statement knowing that 2 of the pole arm attack animations are going to get nerfed?.  That is half of the animations, for those who are counting.

And while the awlpike does generally do mor damage than the Morningstar, when it hits, it's a much harder weapon to use.  It requires wiggle stabs because honest straight stabs just glance since polearm stab was nerfed.  A more fair comparison would be the Morningstar and bec.  But we all know 41 is more than 37.

Awlpike requires skill?

Sure, you need skill for any weapon. However, please don't even try and imply that Awlpike is in any way considered a weapon for the skilled, it really isn't.

It's just one of those one-off weapons that are so ridiculously fast and damaging that most people get demoralized and make mistakes, allowing virtually any scrub to score nicely with it.

[Jack1]

How exactly is this relevant in any way?

Because if you take away the 2h stab animation and turn it into something worse than it currently is it would be a nerf to a class that is already worse in a competitive standpoint and still will be after the patch.

More importantly, how can he make this statement knowing that 2 of the pole arm attack animations are going to get nerfed?.  That is half of the animations, for those who are counting.

They're getting rid of insta hitting on the two swing directions. Something that they did to 2h's a long time ago. True, it is a nerf but it still will leave polearm users with the largest advantage in both 1v1's and groupfights because of their array of weapon choices.

And while the awlpike does generally do mor damage than the Morningstar, when it hits, it's a much harder weapon to use.

That is an opinionated answer. You're also forgetting that awlpike is a much better weapon in the length category. With a Morningstar you have to W key and block about 3 hits from 3 opponents before you get the chance to swing.

Edit for bjord:

The thrust looks quick and powerful, but a bit shorter than before. That means that longer thrusting weapons will have an edge on 2h, but as soon as you can close in on someone while wielding, say a Longsword, you pretty much have the edge on them in every way as long as you're focused.

But now you're comparing weapons of different lengths which give advantages in different areas. The same thing can be said about the long axe going after a flamberger. Once you get past the length you have every advantage in the world over your counterpart.

[MURDERTRON]

Awlpike requires skill?

Sure, you need skill for any weapon. However, please don't even try and imply that Awlpike is in any way considered a weapon for the skilled, it really isn't.

It's just one of those one-off weapons that are so ridiculously fast and damaging that most people get demoralized and make mistakes, allowing virtually any scrub to score nicely with it.

Awlpike takes a wiggle stab to not glance in any decent armor, every time. Morningstar doesn't take such  manipulation.  Whether or not you consider that a skill is up to you, but most people will argue that is harder than not having to wiggle every time.

[Bjord]

Lol you guys are just bad if you think it's a nerf.

Scrubs.