Swedish election

[GRANDMOM]

Sweden would be a shithole without those rich guys creating sucessfull companies that are employing people.

Great comeback Tore 

I just googled "are the rich creating work?" and chose the top two - try it I didnt even read em.
http://www.businessinsider.com/rich-people-create-jobs-2013-11
http://money.msn.com/politics/post.aspx?post=7985420b-3f64-4c67-ba0f-5c712c64f665

4 out of 5 new jobs in Sweden are created by small companies with 10-15 emplyed people - look it up hombre. The richest 20 % in Sweden dont startup businesses like that

Did u know that the salaries in sweden, are now down to the same % of the profits of those same companies that we had in 1910-1920. Did you know, that from one salary back in the 60-70:s you could support one family and pay for a newly built house (one family member often stayed home)? Now it takes two salaries. Did you know that we produce about 10 times more wealth in the same amount of work hours as back then, cause of Machines doing most hard Labour and industrywork? 

The wealthy are getting wealthier - no doubt about it, and since most of their Money diesnt get spent or consumed, be damn sure they dont create many jobs that way either. Every Citizen is a consumer, consumers creates the jobs that brings in the taxes for our Healthcare, schools, roads and so on.


 

[Tore]

lmao if people are so poor why cant we just print more money

its proven that more money would create 20 million jobs in just 3 years (which means we can take more immigrants)

sweden has space for 400 million people

source wikipedia

[GRANDMOM]

lmao if people are so poor why cant we just print more Money

Most new "Money" arent printed today, but if you wanna know how Money is created just ask

its proven that more money would create 20 million jobs in just 3 years (which means we can take more immigrants)
Im sure you would go a long way in SD Tore, you have the same retorical skill 

sweden has space for 400 million people
Im sure we do, and if we didnt we could just snatch Norway

source wikipedia

[Tore]

no fuk u facist

look at these facts

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[Oberyn]

Do u live in Another dimension? From what I wrote u see this?

I will put it in simple terms, just for you:

1. Huge economic crisis (banks, system, politicians to blame or?)
2. Huge setbacks to most societies in europe due to crisis (you still with me?)
3. Nationalistic Powers and chocolate chip cookies and far left wingers emerge in all countries (like allways in bad economic times, no?)
4. Who was to blame for the crisis? The average Joe? The average Abdullah? The average Jean? The average Anders? (Nope, I Think u are still following, otherwise go back to step one and try again)
5. So economy gets fucked up, people lose jobs, unemployment rises, Healthcare gets worse - and here comes the galant Knights of the Nationalistic parties ALL over Europe AT the same time to fix things with the simple solution (that everyone is looking for)- its the immigrants fault.

The economic crisis was years ago, we're in full fucking recovery.
Do you think the problems with immigration are uniquely linked to the economy? That's the only reason to be against it?
How about:

Immigrants are overrepresented in Sweden's crime statistics. In a study by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention in 1997-2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were found to be committed by people born abroad, while almost 20% were committed by Swedish-born people with a foreign background. In the study, immigrants were found to be four times more likely to be investigated for lethal violence and robbery than ethnic Swedes. In addition, immigrants were three times more likely to be investigated for violent assault, and five times more likely to be investigated for sex crimes. Those from North Africa and Western Asia were overrepresented.

The report is based on statistics for those "suspected" of offences, but Stina Holmberg of the Council for Crime Prevention said that there was "little difference" in the statistics for those suspected of crimes and those actually convicted.

"Slightly under 60 percent of the almost 1,520,000 offences ... registered during the period covered by the study can be attributed to persons who were born in Sweden to two Swedish-born parents," it said.

These stats have been constants for years, prior and post economic crisis.
Tell me more about how a couple of far right murderers and far right/ far left "fighting" is totally an incredible problem and a symptom of society's sickness that must be fixed, not the of thousands of murders and rapes your compatriots (sorry, I mean random meaningless people to whom you have no attachment one way or another) suffer at the hands of immigrants, you dishonest fuck.

And Molly, there's nothing to change, I am just tired of humouring stupid fucking willfully ignorant pieces of shit like this cunt. Keep poking your head in the sand and shaking your head sadly at the awful racist nationalists while simultaneously ignoring the overwhelming evidence staring you in the face. I seriously wish you would get the shit beat out of you and robbed for nothing but what you look like and end up as one of those statistics, might open your eyes. Or maybe one of your female relatives gets rapped one night. You know, the sort of thing that evil neo-chocolate chip cookies do in your fantasy examples, but is par for the course and completely accepted for immigrants. After all, they're "opressed". What's one faceless swede getting murdered or raped compared to their opression, or even thousands? They obviously mean nothing.

[Kafein]

The economic crisis was years ago, we're in full fucking recovery.
Do you think the problems with immigration are uniquely linked to the economy? That's the only reason to be against it?
How about:
These stats have been constants for years, prior and post economic crisis. \

Immigrants are poor, poor people tend to become criminals. Removing immigrants is a false remedy. In fact without the immigrants you'd be in deep shit as they provide cheap labour and don't cost even a fraction of the pensions of an aging population.

Tell me more about how a couple of far right murderers and far right/ far left "fighting" is totally an incredible problem and a symptom of society's sickness that must be fixed, not the of thousands of murders and rapes your compatriots (sorry, I mean random meaningless people to whom you have no attachment one way or another) suffer at the hands of immigrants, you dishonest fuck.

And Molly, there's nothing to change, I am just tired of humouring stupid fucking willfully ignorant pieces of shit like this cunt. Keep poking your head in the sand and shaking your head sadly at the awful racist nationalists while simultaneously ignoring the overwhelming evidence staring you in the face. I seriously wish you would get the shit beat out of you and robbed for nothing but what you look like and end up as one of those statistics, might open your eyes.

Or maybe one of your female relatives gets rapped one night. You know, the sort of thing that evil neo-chocolate chip cookies do in your fantasy examples, but is par for the course and completely accepted for immigrants. After all, they're "opressed". What's one faceless swede getting murdered or raped compared to their opression, or even thousands? They obviously mean nothing.

Now you're just talking out of your ass. "rape is par for the course and completely accepted for immigrants"? I don't even

[Oberyn]

It's completely expected and normal apparently. You just justified it yourself then a sentence after are confused?
"It's ok because they're poor"
"Omg as if anyone is saying it's normal and accepted, I don't even"
Fucking idiot.

[Kafein]

It's completely expected and normal apparently. You just justified it yourself then a sentence after are confused?
"It's ok because they're poor"
"Omg as if anyone is saying it's normal and accepted, I don't even"
Fucking idiot.

What?

When did I say "it's ok" exactly?

I feel this will get ugly if I have to explain everything to you like you're 5, Xant style.

[Gravoth_iii]

Btw we arent blaming immigrants, its the politics that bring in too many too quickly. Shit is bound to go wrong when tens of thousands come in per year, with unemployment being quite big its not strange that they dont get jobs and are forced to live on welfare. Some get jobs that pay part of their paycheck with taxes, which isnt much better.

The immigration politics are to blame, they create these blocks with only immigrants which makes it less necessary for them to learn to speak swedish since they are many from the same countries and can just speak whatever native languages they speak with eachother. Theres no guaranteed jobs so they end up living on welfare.

Not their fault, ours, our unresponsible politics.

[Oberyn]

What?

When did I say "it's ok" exactly?

I feel this will get ugly if I have to explain everything to you like you're 5, Xant style.

Fine, just expected and normal. You have a large unassimilated population of poor foreigners with no jobs, it's bound to happen.
So what's your solution then? Obviously importing even bigger waves of poor foreigners will fix it! 

Go ahead and "get ugly" if you like, you're about as effective in your arguements as a wet noodle.

[BASNAK]

Don't know if this has been linked on the forums before.

[GRANDMOM]

The economic crisis was years ago, we're in full fucking recovery.
Do you think the problems with immigration are uniquely linked to the economy? That's the only reason to be against it?
How about:
These stats have been constants for years, prior and post economic crisis.
Tell me more about how a couple of far right murderers and far right/ far left "fighting" is totally an incredible problem and a symptom of society's sickness that must be fixed, not the of thousands of murders and rapes your compatriots (sorry, I mean random meaningless people to whom you have no attachment one way or another) suffer at the hands of immigrants, you dishonest fuck.

And Molly, there's nothing to change, I am just tired of humouring stupid fucking willfully ignorant pieces of shit like this cunt. Keep poking your head in the sand and shaking your head sadly at the awful racist nationalists while simultaneously ignoring the overwhelming evidence staring you in the face. I seriously wish you would get the shit beat out of you and robbed for nothing but what you look like and end up as one of those statistics, might open your eyes. Or maybe one of your female relatives gets rapped one night. You know, the sort of thing that evil neo-chocolate chip cookies do in your fantasy examples, but is par for the course and completely accepted for immigrants. After all, they're "opressed". What's one faceless swede getting murdered or raped compared to their opression, or even thousands? They obviously mean nothing.

Are u drunk?

I say SD has grown because Of the economical crisis, not that there is more immigrationproblems due to the economy. Every post I make, u turn into something else or u just fail to understand.

I have talked to many representatives of the SD, usually what happens is that when they run out of arguments, they throw in the muslim conspiracy - that there is some sort of evil plan going on behind the scenes that muslims are secretly gonna try to take over our country in some mysterious way, or just by outbreeding us - is that where you are going aswell?

[Oberyn]

Swedes breed like friging pandas. Immigrants to Sweden mostly come from extremely conservative cultures where the role of women is well entrenched as baby making machine. It's not a conspiracy, it's a simple demographic reality, and it's not organized or planned in any way, except possibly by those implementing the immigration policies in the first place. Certainly not an avowed goal for most muslims, they're just living their lives, having families, etc... though a few will gleefully claim so to your face in complete ernest. But reality is something that's obviously quite offensive to you.

[GRANDMOM]

Btw we arent blaming immigrants, its the politics that bring in too many too quickly. Shit is bound to go wrong when tens of thousands come in per year, with unemployment being quite big its not strange that they dont get jobs and are forced to live on welfare. Some get jobs that pay part of their paycheck with taxes, which isnt much better.

The immigration politics are to blame, they create these blocks with only immigrants which makes it less necessary for them to learn to speak swedish since they are many from the same countries and can just speak whatever native languages they speak with eachother. Theres no guaranteed jobs so they end up living on welfare.

Not their fault, ours, our unresponsible politics.

We already covered the job issue, it isnt one. Otherwise how could 400000 immigrants come here during the worst economical crisis since the 30:s and the unemployment rate didnt go up more than it has before. This only during the last 8 years. They get jobs, lowcost ones mostly like kaffein says - but they get jobs.

And the blocks of immigrants, well I have lived in one of those, one of the "worst" according to SD and my ass and wallet didnt get raped.

Like kaffein mentioned, poor people has a higher crimerate in general, but it doesnt differ between poor swedes and poor immigrants - it never has. Also, funny fact - SD representatives has a higher % of criminals than any immigrant gruop there is. And what about the male population, according to SD logic they are much more eager to commit crimes than females - lets stop the males from getting born by using abortion!!! 

[GRANDMOM]

Swedes breed like friging pandas. Immigrants to Sweden mostly come from extremely conservative cultures where the role of women is well entrenched as baby making machine. It's not a conspiracy, it's a simple demographic reality, and it's not organized or planned in any way, except possibly by those implementing the immigration policies in the first place. Certainly not an avowed goal for most muslims, they're just living their lives, having families, etc... though a few will gleefully claim so to your face in complete ernest. But reality is something that's obviously quite offensive to you.

Here, Hans Rosling (on the list of the 50 most influencial people in the world) will teach you something you dont know anything about...nono dont thank me - its on me.....rethink your old myths about why women are entrenched as babymaking machines and when they stop being that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt4KaB_gWDc