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Re: Swedish election
« Reply #90 on: September 16, 2014, 05:52:39 pm »
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I have voting right for over 10 years. My country is in deep shit. I believe that is because last 10 years I didn't have a single proper choice to vote for. Proper choice is the party that has clear and doable plan how to increase number of jobs and decrease unemployment. Sadly, not a single party was like that. Just bunch of lies and fake promises that have no ground in reality.

Don't tell me you haven't got a single proper choice to vote for? That you came to point where immigration is the only subject to discuss? To a point where no one has clear program how to push country forward? If that's the case, then you're fucked in the long run.

We have choices, but like allways in times of trouble people seek the easy solution presented to them
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Re: Swedish election
« Reply #91 on: September 16, 2014, 06:08:09 pm »
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if you are swedish and dont vote SD you are gay

I know nothing about swedish politics, but after watching this video I think that you have to be gay to give your vote to SD (whoever they are).
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Re: Swedish election
« Reply #92 on: September 16, 2014, 06:12:49 pm »
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We have choices. And immigration is a subject to discuss, not the only one ofcourse, but it is a major one. SD doesnt want to stop immigration completely, just reduce it to a more manageable level. And are growing because they are the only ones who actually want to discuss the subject.

Easy solution? More efficient solution i believe, spending the same amount of money, but helping twice as many in their own countries instead of bringing all of them over here.
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Re: Swedish election
« Reply #93 on: September 16, 2014, 06:37:38 pm »
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We have choices. And immigration is a subject to discuss, not the only one ofcourse, but it is a major one. SD doesnt want to stop immigration completely, just reduce it to a more manageable level. And are growing because they are the only ones who actually want to discuss the subject.

Easy solution? More efficient solution i believe, spending the same amount of money, but helping twice as many in their own countries instead of bringing all of them over here.

Yes its an easy solution, and the world is never easy - neither are politics or economics.

He says he wants to reduce it by 90%, voters cheer!
He says he will lower the taxes for our senior citizens with the money he saves, supporters cheer!
He says he will use the money to help the people in their own countries instead of here, horray

Problem is, he cant reduce by more than a couple of % since sweden, like most other countries in EU, has signed resolutions in UN and in EU about helping out a certain amount of people. Do his voters care? Nope, the great leader will provide somehow.

What SD has accomplished, is only to divide people into groups, and making the groups hate more. Things that happen in sweden today, attacking beggars in the streets, starting fires in homes for refugees, left and right wing fighting in the streets, chocolate chip cookies going into electionplaces threatening people, convicted criminals in the government, official SD representatives behaving like thugs on the internet and in the streets. Threatening people, journalists and other media.

Nationalistic bs, like in every other country in the EU, immigrants to blame? Try economic meltdown caused by banks and coorperations

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Re: Swedish election
« Reply #94 on: September 16, 2014, 06:51:39 pm »
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They divided people into groups? Im pretty sure people have been doing that way before SD became big, its just human to split people into groups, stereotypes etc, labelling people.

Attack on beggars i can understand that it happens allthough i havent heard of it, its just recently that they have made it this far north. It's sad but i dont think SD are to blame. Starting fires in homes, also never heard of, sounds pretty crazy but i doubt SD were the ones to rally people into doing such things.

As for some representatives acting badly, its unfortunate and isnt tolerated within the party. I can also understand part of it because being a representative of SD, having to take so much shit from media etc, and some people simply cant handle it.
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Re: Swedish election
« Reply #96 on: September 17, 2014, 01:02:30 pm »
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Listening to this stupid fucking retard you'd think Sweden is literally being burned to the ground by the fascist capitalist racists. Yeah totally bro, bunch of wandering groups of neo-chocolate chip cookies and bankers randomely assaulting, murdering and raping anyone who's "brown", taking over entire neighborhoods as private gang fiefs, vandalizing and burning down entire block as the police looks on unable to do anything about it unless they want the next morning's newspapers whining about racist pigs commiting violence against innocent thugs.
Crime statistics are obviously racist propaganda though. And anyways these are just growing pains as the poor underpriviledged opressed immigrants rightfully strike back at the racist system that...welcomed them and their families with open arms and gave them all the same rights and duties as native citizens?

No, whatever, the response to all this is obviously due to a deeply ingrained and flawed logic, that of "nationalism" and "identity". These swedish assholes just aren't enlightened enough yet, but it's so obviously inevitable that balkanization of culture and ethnicity always leads to cooperation and prosperity. And then a unicorn shows up and shits lighting rainbows.
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Re: Swedish election
« Reply #97 on: September 17, 2014, 02:26:07 pm »
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Do u live in Another dimension? From what I wrote u see this?

I will put it in simple terms, just for you:

1. Huge economic crisis (banks, system, politicians to blame or?)
2. Huge setbacks to most societies in europe due to crisis (you still with me?)
3. Nationalistic Powers and chocolate chip cookies and far left wingers emerge in all countries (like allways in bad economic times, no?)
4. Who was to blame for the crisis? The average Joe? The average Abdullah? The average Jean? The average Anders? (Nope, I Think u are still following, otherwise go back to step one and try again)
5. So economy gets fucked up, people lose jobs, unemployment rises, Healthcare gets worse - and here comes the galant Knights of the Nationalistic parties ALL over Europe AT the same time to fix things with the simple solution (that everyone is looking for)- its the immigrants fault.






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Re: Swedish election
« Reply #98 on: September 17, 2014, 04:12:50 pm »
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Normally Oberyn makes posts with quite a lot of sense in them.
For some reason several posts in this thread are barely even close to be related to the former posts. Something is happening... :o
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Re: Swedish election
« Reply #99 on: September 17, 2014, 05:30:07 pm »
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Sweden is taking way more immigrants than there are jobs for, this creates a growing unemployment rate, which forces a lot of people to be on welfare which in return creates economic problems. Sweden is becoming a facist country where young people are brainwashed about how multiculturalism is magic and we will create a utopia if everyone is just tolerant and hug trees. Multiple times are politicians denied freedom of speech, some people are constantly living in fear of getting attacked for their opinions, extremist groups are growing, unemployment is growing, crime is growing and the economy is failing, swedes are immigrating to other countries to look for work. Do you realy think this is the way to continue? Do you realy think this is the best for your country? Wouldn't it be a better idea to slow down and try to fix your own problems instead of beeing the world's welfare office? Continuing like this will cripple western countries economies while everything is beeing bought by the chinese. Maybye we will move towards a global race, but it would be a shitty world, full of conflict and poverty.

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Re: Swedish election
« Reply #100 on: September 17, 2014, 05:47:13 pm »
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Sweden is taking way more immigrants than there are jobs for, this creates a growing unemployment rate, which forces a lot of people to be on welfare which in return creates economic problems. Sweden is becoming a facist country where young people are brainwashed about how multiculturalism is magic and we will create a utopia if everyone is just tolerant and hug trees. Multiple times are politicians denied freedom of speech, some people are constantly living in fear of getting attacked for their opinions, extremist groups are growing, unemployment is growing, crime is growing and the economy is failing, swedes are immigrating to other countries to look for work. Do you realy think this is the way to continue? Do you realy think this is the best for your country? Wouldn't it be a better idea to slow down and try to fix your own problems instead of beeing the world's welfare office? Continuing like this will cripple western countries economies while everything is beeing bought by the chinese. Maybye we will move towards a global race, but it would be a shitty world, full of conflict and poverty.

The Swedish state follows the policy of NAIRU, which means that there will always be unemployment in the country. It's a theory in Economics that if unemployment is too low inflation will increase (I'm not even sure the "theory" is proven). To counter the increase in inflation from low unemployment the Swedish central bank will increase the interest to increase the unemployment. At the moment the Swedish minimum unemployment allowed by the central bank is about 7%.

This was covered by SVT some week ago, where they interviewed both the leaders of the Redgreen coalition and the Alliance and they both agree that NAIRU needs to be in effect. This means that both coalitions are lying when they promise extremly low unemployment rates. I'm not educated in Economics. But from what I've heard the theory isn't even proven and doesn't seem to work.

P.S: Speaking of extremism in Sweden. What about the growing chocolate chip cookie movements which attacked the polling stations, and stabbed and murdered people in political rallies? The far left are being violent too by beating up far right wingers.
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Re: Swedish election
« Reply #101 on: September 17, 2014, 07:32:55 pm »
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Sweden is taking way more immigrants than there are jobs for, this creates a growing unemployment rate, which forces a lot of people to be on welfare which in return creates economic problems. Sweden is becoming a facist country where young people are brainwashed about how multiculturalism is magic and we will create a utopia if everyone is just tolerant and hug trees. Multiple times are politicians denied freedom of speech, some people are constantly living in fear of getting attacked for their opinions, extremist groups are growing, unemployment is growing, crime is growing and the economy is failing, swedes are immigrating to other countries to look for work. Do you realy think this is the way to continue? Do you realy think this is the best for your country? Wouldn't it be a better idea to slow down and try to fix your own problems instead of beeing the world's welfare office? Continuing like this will cripple western countries economies while everything is beeing bought by the chinese. Maybye we will move towards a global race, but it would be a shitty world, full of conflict and poverty.

Like Basnak said, politicians want the unemployment rate to stay where it is, I saw the SVT show about it aswell. And Think of it this way, if we took in the amount that SD claims we do, and they dont get jobs like SD claim they dont, please explain to me how the unemplyment rate is about the same as it has been over the last 14 years or so?

And about the 7% unemplyment goal, I saw Carl Bildt comment on that about 10 years ago, claiming it would be in our nations best interesst to keep it at about 10%. This way you keep salaries down, inflation down, you have a certain amount of the population constantly educating themselfs for the new jobs growing.

About differencies in income and Resources in Sweden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxYnRRqNnR8

Watch it it WILL blow your mind no matter what political party you support (In Swedish sorry, but basically it shows graphically how the Resources in sweden are divided, how Swedish people Believe they are divided and how Swedish people want them to be divided)
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Re: Swedish election
« Reply #102 on: September 17, 2014, 08:03:52 pm »
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lol communist propaganda

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Re: Swedish election
« Reply #103 on: September 17, 2014, 08:13:40 pm »
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lol communist propaganda

Yes ofc, its either that or the normal reply is something like this - "media is bought and the statistics from Eurostat and SCB are also part of the Conspiracy against us - we SD-voters are the real victims here!!! Nobody understands us and all the immigrants come here and take our jobs, and if they dont they just lie on the sofa eating Welfare for breakfast"
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Re: Swedish election
« Reply #104 on: September 17, 2014, 08:17:59 pm »
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Sweden would be a shithole without those rich guys creating sucessfull companies that are employing people.