Is removing bushes ingame something we should consider cheating?

[Huscarlton_Banks]

I'd say it's about as much of a cheat as show banners above enemy, or the heirloom pack, so it's in the sort-of-but-not-really gray area.

It might even be less helpful for long distance aiming vs show banners, plus show banners helps you target certain players.

Making walls transparent and removing fog is just super blatant cheating though.

[MURDERTRON]

How can I cheat me some day-time only???

[Tears of Destiny]

Toggling on show banners on everything pretty much removes any and all semblance of stealth in this game anyways, unless you have a four-legged butt-rocket between your legs or are playing in a heavy urban map.


I turned that feature on though just to see clan mobs easier.

[_Tak_]

I'd say it's about as much of a cheat as show banners above enemy, or the heirloom pack, so it's in the sort-of-but-not-really gray area.

It might even be less helpful for long distance aiming vs show banners, plus show banners helps you target certain players.

Making walls transparent and removing fog is just super blatant cheating though.

I don't think its possible to remove fog without the source code of cRPG though

[matt2507]

I don't think its possible to remove fog without the source code of cRPG though

I confirm (already tried  ).

[Rico]

Also, found out from one of the admins that "aim hacks" are allowed and not bannable and rather common.

No way man, this can't be allowed! BAN HE

[woody]

Someone compared this to the heirloom pack, simply cant agree. Superbly crafted weapons would likely be decorated differently and an experienced warlord would have engravings etc on his gear. Heirloom pack is entirely consistent with game, altering landscapes to your advantage is not.

Only reason I dont use heirloom pack is I cant be arsed to keep reinstalling it.

[Dooz]

Only reason I dont use heirloom pack is I cant be arsed to keep reinstalling it.

If you can click a button to launch/update crpg every time you play, you can click a button to launch the heirloom installer every 20-100th time. Or not, your loss eh?

[FleetFox]

Apologies I have not bothered to read the 6 pages of this thread. That's because its a very simple answer, ofc its bloody cheating. You don't need to be a genius to come up with that, and I don't think this thread needs 6 pages of discussion to come to such an easy conclusion. Shoot me down if you must, but there is a reason those demon bushes are in the game.

[BlindGuy]

Editing your files to gain any advantage is cheating. Using any aftermarket software to gain an adavantage is cheating. These are not debateable.

Personally I see no line between exploiting and cheating, also. To exploit a bug is cheating.

But then I feel the game could be very different. For example holding your S key down should carry with it a 50% chance to knock you down once you reach a full second of S keying. Dont want to fall down? Dont fucking run backwards.

[Grumbs]

They just need to update this:

No exploiting of any kind
NOT OK: Bypassing the autobalance
NOT OK: Using a bug to gain undeserved benefits
NOT OK: Leaving and rejoining to server to spawn more than once in a round

Add:

NOT OK: Altering game files for personal advantage

They need to draw a clear line between altering files for personal aesthetics and altering files for personal advantage. OK: Different looking Flamberge. NOT OK: Levelling out terrain elements such as foliage. Personally I would also add that game assets should still resemble what they represent, IE no orange weapons etc

The first thing is to be clear with the rules, the next is to think about how to enforce it. Maybe they can't enforce it, but encouraging a shitty gaming culture doesn't help.

Personally I see no line between exploiting and cheating, also. To exploit a bug is cheating.

Who decides what a bug is though? Stabbing through team mates/walls is cheating?.

This falls under clever/skillful use of game mechanics. If your character can physically do it then its either fair or in the grey area

[matt2507]

They just need to update this:

No exploiting of any kind
NOT OK: Bypassing the autobalance
NOT OK: Using a bug to gain undeserved benefits
NOT OK: Leaving and rejoining to server to spawn more than once in a round

Add:

NOT OK: Altering game files for personal advantage

They need to draw a clear line between altering files for personal aesthetics and altering files for personal advantage. OK: Different looking Flamberge. NOT OK: Levelling out terrain elements such as foliage. Personally I would also add that game assets should still resemble what they represent, IE no orange weapons etc

The first thing is to be clear with the rules, the next is to think about how to enforce it. Maybe they can't enforce it, but encouraging a shitty gaming culture doesn't help.

Who decides what a bug is though? Stabbing through team mates/walls is cheating?.

This falls under clever/skillful use of game mechanics. If your character can physically do it then its either fair or in the grey area

I totaly agreed with that.

I make somes tests because i have many suspicions for other "exploits".
Removing bush is the most easy to do. No need to remove the textures, notepad is enough fo that.

Also, there is another exploit that can be donne in 5 minutes and this one is more powerfull imo:

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I'm sure somes peoples use it (or have used it before).
It can be improved by making them green or red and other stuff like that but i don't want to wast my time for this, you already see how it is powerfull.

This kind of modifications realy need a rule because there is not limits for this kind of shit for now !


ps: I don't use this shit and i never gonna use it, i'm cav and have no need for this !
I have just make this for testing and used it in spec mode only.

ps2: If devs want to know how to do (but i'm sure they know how), they can ask me by mp (only).

ps3: If you are not a dev and want to ask, go f**k yourself 

[Dooz]

Is the definition of cheating in crpg the same as the definition of cheating in the dictionary? If not, what is cheating as defined for crpg?

[_Tak_]

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lol Raylin what the heck is that, how is that going to help someone in battle?   

[matt2507]

lol Raylin what the heck is that, how is that going to help someone in battle?   

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