CRPG is indeed dying.

[Tzar]

You forgot to take into account, that lvl 33 aint the norm.. people are all lvl 36 

PS: Yes this game has been a terrible for newcomers since day1.... i dun see how to fix that.

[Penitent]

Easy to fix, just nerf looms.

+3 body armor can give +3 armor instead of +5.  So someone with +3 gloves and armor has a total of +6, instead of +10.


+1 weapon = +1 damage (swing)
+2 weapon = +1 speed
+3 weapon = +1 thrust, or + weight if there is no thrust.  Or +1 reverse side if there is no thrust and weight doesn't matter (like a pick or broad axe).

Or something like that.  Just off the top of my head.  Probably derailing thread though.

[Phew]

Easy to fix, just nerf looms.

Would help some, but most high level players are using pierce weapons and/or very high cut weapons, so armor doesn't play as big of a role any more. I have 61 body armor/58 head, and I still get 1-2 shot by every +3 Bec I encounter.

A newbie can skip the fun, join a clan, raid armory for looms, and be at no more than a 1PS+1athletics disadvantage against all the tryhards. That's barely perceptible. If they had already honed their skills from Native or elsewhere, they will jump right in and be effective. The problem is that most newbies don't understand that this is the ideal starting point, so they are out there grinding with a pitchfork and no banner (and get slaughtered then quit cRPG).

[Utrakil]

Easy to fix, just nerf looms.

+3 body armor can give +3 armor instead of +5.  So someone with +3 gloves and armor has a total of +6, instead of +10.


+1 weapon = +1 damage (swing)
+2 weapon = +1 speed
+3 weapon = +1 thrust, or + weight if there is no thrust.  Or +1 reverse side if there is no thrust and weight doesn't matter (like a pick or broad axe).

Or something like that.  Just off the top of my head.  Probably derailing thread though.

and level hardcap at lvl33!
this would drive more players into retirement and wouldnt allow the lvl-difference to become to big.

[Falka]

Easy to fix, just nerf looms.

Yup, it was suggested many times in the past and nothing was done so far.

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dunno why but i always knew it was said that looms were thought to just help a little people that retired, and not change the game drastically; now this can be easily countered by saying "omelette du fromage body armor"; having to get 5/6 more weight just to get as heavy armored as some old player that clearly hasn't fucked up everything like i did feels like a real handicap. i would say to buff all unloomed items. here's something to give a basic idea

armors (leg/body/head)

Loomed once get +1 *** armor
Loomed twice get +2 *** armor
Loomed three times get +3 *** armor

(and not 5; why 5? every other thing gets or used to get 3, why armors 5 (which is at least less retard than the old 7 :l )

weapons (1h/2h/polearms cut/pierce damage)

Loomed once get +1 damage
Loomed twice get +1 speed
Loomed three times get +1 damage

weapons (1h/2h/poles with blunt damage)

Loomed once get +1 damage
Loomed twice get +0.5 weight
Loomed three times get +1 damage

basically something like this; as for shield/ranged/throwing weapons or horses I don't really know or really care, but i'd like 1h and armors to be changed asap, cause the difference between loomed/non loomed item is huge especially in these 2 sets.

[Elerion]

Would help some, but most high level players are using pierce weapons and/or very high cut weapons, so armor doesn't play as big of a role any more. I have 61 body armor/58 head, and I still get 1-2 shot by every +3 Bec I encounter.

It matters a lot to newbies. A level 30 unloomed player in 2011 was still 1-3 shot frequently, but 50+ armor targets were uncommon, and only a handful of players could afford to run 60-70+ armor builds 24/7. People would frequently skimp on armor, while running top tier weapons. That newbie could get plenty of kills going after low armor targets.

There's a reason pierce is so much more prevalent today. Armor levels have skyrocketed thanks to everyone having +10 armor from looms and generally more expensive armor due to gold surplus.

[darmaster]

Yup, it was suggested many times in the past and nothing was done so far.

Can't believe i wrote that, so little hate

[San]

I remember there was a good number of looms in the latter half of 2011, just no high levels. There is also less pierce than what I remember ever since the armor soak/reduce change and then the polestagger removal later on which affected most of the best pierce weapons.

I think gloves need balancing. Light gloves should have less armor and little weight while heavy gauntlets should have slightly less armor than they do now with heavier wpf penalties and more weight. I'm not entirely sure about weapons. I think they should remain lethal at all levels, buffing +0 stats and getting the good boosts at +1.

[Lord_Bernie_of_Voodoo]

You forgot to take into account, that lvl 33 aint the norm.. people are all lvl 36 

PS: Yes this game has been a terrible for newcomers since day1.... i dun see how to fix that.

It will never happen, but I really think leveling should be capped at 33. Perhaps the XP past level 33 goes towards LP's at a certain amount?

[Prpavi]

It will never happen, but I really think leveling should be capped at 33. Perhaps the XP past level 33 goes towards LP's at a certain amount?

this is actually a nice suggestion

[Elerion]

It will never happen, but I really think leveling should be capped at 33. Perhaps the XP past level 33 goes towards LP's at a certain amount?

One of the main reasons to cap leveling should be to encourage retirement. LP grinding while staying at 33 would accomplish the opposite.

[Aprikose]

Easy to fix, just nerf looms.

+3 body armor can give +3 armor instead of +5.  So someone with +3 gloves and armor has a total of +6, instead of +10.


+1 weapon = +1 damage (swing)
+2 weapon = +1 speed
+3 weapon = +1 thrust, or + weight if there is no thrust.  Or +1 reverse side if there is no thrust and weight doesn't matter (like a pick or broad axe).

Or something like that.  Just off the top of my head.  Probably derailing thread though.

that would change nothin.
cRpg players will pwn EVERY SINGLE newbie even without looms

[Admerius]

How to make low level gaming more popular, fix the broken LP prices and make heirlooms a bit more special:

-Remove ALL gold gain past lvl 31

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-Buff gold/tick to a base of 100 instead of 50
-Increase repair cost(from 7% to 15-20%)

LP & Heirlooms
-Heirloom items degrades to +0 stats with "ancient/Ornamental prefix" if 10k gold isn't paid weekly or monthly.
-Fleetfox respec idea + some tweaks to it: lvl 31-32 repsec=1LP, 33-34=2LP, 35-36=3LP(most recent retraining lesson: 2,6mil that's roughly 8-9 LP)

Edit1: It's "35-36=3LP" not "25-26=3LP"

[Ikarus]

How to make low level gaming more popular, fix the broken LP prices and make heirlooms a bit more special:

-Remove ALL gold gain past lvl 31

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-Buff gold/tick to a base of 100 instead of 50
-Increase repair cost(from 7% to 15-20%)

LP & Heirlooms
-Heirloom items degrades to +0 stats with "ancient/Ornamental prefix" if 10k gold isn't paid weekly or monthly.
-Fleetfox respec idea + some tweaks to it: lvl 31-32 repsec=1LP, 33-34=2LP, 25-26=3LP(most recent retraining lesson: 2,6mil that's roughly 8-9 LP)

So you´re being punished for playing a game too long? Who would ever play such a shitty game? There isn´t that much of a difference between lvl 30 and lvl 33, spend some minutes on the duel server and his lvl33 butt is yours

Everybody would have to play on a stf build to gain money so they could play on a char which is only 2-4 levels higher...That would kill the whole mod in an instant.

[Tydeus]

So you´re being punished for playing a game too long? Who would ever play such a shitty game? There isn´t that much of a difference between lvl 30 and lvl 33, spend some minutes on the duel server and his lvl33 butt is yours

What exactly would you say the break point between "isn't that much" and "too much" is? 3 levels could mean 7 hp and 9-15% damage(because of wpf and depending upon PS/PT/PD). I don't see how that's such a minor thing, especially when comparing a "have" to a "have-not" (loomed guy to an unloomed one.)