stand united with allers against bad admins

[cup457]

im fucking awful at this game i normally die 30 seconds to 1 minute into the round no matter what gear i wear unless i just run away and i rarely get kdr about .3 and I have never been even warned for anything related to this. My problem with this is not  that he was banned. My problem is that because of his ban history what normally would just be ignored becomes a perma-ban offense.

[EyeBeat]

Missed my point in quite possibly the most hilarious way. Go home, buddy, you've had enough.

I was not even trying to make a point with that statement.

So anyways....  Allers is still banned right?

The true agenda of the cRPG Admin team, as shown by Eyebeatwomen.

I want to thank you and Smooth for helping me get voted in.  I am saddened that you are not over something I posted to troll you over 4? years ago?  maybe 5.

[EyeBeat]

You have the reading comprehension of a betta fish.

The last time I died to you on NA1...  You were cheating right?

[Gmnotutoo]

The people want a checks and balances system. NA needs an unbiased Arbiter(s) independent of Canary and those not on the current admin team, someone that our community can agree to follow. These people should be able to review global ban cases and decide if the punishment is deserving or not. They need to possess wisdom, have a sense of perspective and be able to remove their own personal feelings from issues.

Whether you agree with Allers being banned or not, we the players of NA have no power or say in what happens. This has to change for the good of our community. I demand to have someone that I can trust and respect to be able to represent the best interests of the community.

[Westgate]

NA needs an unbiased Arbiter(s) independent of Canary and those not on the current admin team, someone that our community can agree to follow.

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[Smoothrich]

The people want a checks and balances system. NA needs an unbiased Arbiter(s) independent of Canary and those not on the current admin team, someone that our community can agree to follow. These people should be able to review global ban cases and decide if the punishment is deserving or not. They need to possess wisdom, have a sense of perspective and be able to remove their own personal feelings from issues.

Whether you agree with Allers being banned or not, we the players of NA have no power or say in what happens. This has to change for the good of our community. I demand to have someone that I can trust and respect to be able to represent the best interests of the community.

Yes. Veto all permabans except in cases of hacking, autoblocking, script automation, and so on. Review bans on a case by case basis, instead of bringing three years of frustration, ban request forum moderating , Steam/Teamspeak rage, and BAN HISTORY copy pastes that all cloud the mind of impartiality. Realize this is a small, dedicated community, that only exists still because of the players enjoying the game and sometimes (usually not) enjoying the familiarity of long time players since like a few dozen people in all of North America play this mod. Understand the role of an admin is to prevent teamkilling, harrassment, delaying and griefing, not using Permabans against kind-of-an-asshole teenagers as a Viagra substitute.

Most importantly, that no admin or dev or anything here has commented on. Why are server admins permabanning people in the first place? Like, how is that even a thing that these dorky volunteer admins of the only servers for a really limited playerbase of a game that requires a large time investment for character growth, are allowed to do?

I mean fuck, argue all you want about Allers being a troll, the Definition of Leeching, so on and so forth, but that is all really missing the point here. Do we, as a community, really want these "community represenative admins" to permaban anyone?

Canary, since you presumably are functioning now outside of cmp or chadz's discretion or oversight, I will address you directly. What is the point of this permaban? Not the ban itself, or the rules, or any of that crap. Why is this a permanent ban of someone's Warband ID on the only NA servers for cRPG?

[Matey]

I made a handy chart back in the day for how to handle chat abuse but it could really be applied to any form of rule breaking. The main point though is 1 week bans should be the most severe punishment for anyone who isn't hacking. Repeat offenders will be ban far more often than not if they don't learn to control themselves.

[Gmnotutoo]

These are some of the questions that should be asked before deciding whether a global ban is deserving.

Why is he getting a global banned?
Has anyone else performed the same sequence and not been punished for it?
How will this ban effect the community?
Is the punishment fit for the crime, regardless of history?
What are Allers' serious crimes? (Exploiting, cheating, hacking or ruining the game.)
How much do we hold Allers accountable for his history?
What benefits has Allers had on our community?

I made a handy chart back in the day for how to handle chat abuse but it could really be applied to any form of rule breaking. The main point though is 1 week bans should be the most severe punishment for anyone who isn't hacking. Repeat offenders will be ban far more often than not if they don't learn to control themselves.

That was a good chart.

[kooktar]

I made a handy chart back in the day for how to handle chat abuse but it could really be applied to any form of rule breaking. The main point though is 1 week bans should be the most severe punishment for anyone who isn't hacking. Repeat offenders will be ban far more often than not if they don't learn to control themselves.

The problem lies in the roots of the system. The FORUM for the mod itself has the good ole' UNBAN ESSAY folder, which basically everyone gets to flog you with their e-peens as you publicly repent for whatever wrong doing the clergy of inner-circle cRPG heroes deemed you guilty of.

For those of you who don't know I play as Raven_Kooktar. Ive been off and on, but if you've seen me in game have I ever really done anything? No. However I do have a BAN HISTORY. Way back in the glory days of the community server I was essay banned, with no previous BAN HISTORY for TWing an admin in combat on a siege map while we were engaged with enemy on the ramparts. The admin (forget the name) fell off and died due to pole stagger. I was basically perma banned because i refused to stoop to the level of begging to return to a video game. Whatever the case the ESSAY BAN was lifted as after about a year I reinstalled and was able to play this game again.

Anyone who plays this game, creates friends and enemies. Thats what makes it so great, seeing that troll or some fotm HX trolling and DELAYING WITHOUT BEING BANNED is very gratifying to kill. The problem occurs when these same players are now given the option to permanently remove their nemesis from the community.

Bottom line is PERMANENT BANS should be limited solely to exploiting/hacking. If you don't wanna deal with a player because of BAN HISTORY and use it as a catalyst to drop a PERMANENT BAN so you don't have to deal with his/her trolling or general pain-in-the-assness then you shouldn't be a power figure head in this community.

[kooktar]

Role of the concerned father played by the cRPG community (replace 'life' with 'cRPG')
Role of the main character, the NA Admin team (replace his main repeated phrase with 'Ban History')

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8kTOdanxFI&feature=kp

Please note this video is not to portray the physical attributes of the NA Admin staff, but the dialogue fits so perfect and I recently re-watched some Tosh on Hulu.

[BaleOhay]

After reading this entire thing I am falling on the unban side of the fence, I generally never agree with smoothrich so that is saying something.


I will also admit there are days I am busy doing other crap but playing absentmindedly never scoring a single kill in multiple rounds. Shit happens. Feel free to ban me if needed. Tossing a perma ban for slacking off is pretty bad. You basically gave the death penalty for Jaywalking, because the guy has a record. A lawyer would have a field day with this.. must be nice not to have any checks and balances. 

[imisshotmail]

I would rather have Anders as Head Admin of NA cRPG than Canary.

I cannot think of a better way to express how bad the NA Admin team is, other than that.

[PsychoTwins]

Bottom line is PERMANENT BANS should be limited solely to exploiting/hacking.

I have to disagree with that. I do agree permanent bans are not that great in a small community, but they do have a purpose even though at the moment they might be used improperly.

If it was only limited to exploited/hacking, there would be a shit ton of harassment on players that genuinely aren't liked or just harassment between to enemies. I hate horse archers with a passion but I also think it would be extremely unfair to not allow perm bans to people that say TK them every round.

If the promotion of the game is working on moddb, the community may grow, and I don't think we should remove perm bans just because of the people being well known. They should know not to break rules, it is simple. (Extreme rule breaking for perm bans, not the small crap like "leeching")

Also this is the only community I have known that doesn't perm ban after 2-3 bans AND that allows un-ban essays on those perm bans. I do understand we have a low population though.

TL;DR: I think perm bans should stay, but be used in extreme situations.

[Mae.]

I disagree to a degree, keep the 'frequent' offenders up to a week or even 2 week bans... shit a whole month if you want. If anyone is really that much of a dick to grief so often, well its not so bad when you only see those dicks once to twice a month. Permanent bans really don't have a place besides the truly extreme shit (hacking ect).

[WITCHCRAFT]

And you couldn't handle the intensity of seeing him die over and over (even though loads of players already said he was getting kills) that you thought it was worth banning him over it? Good call. You probably also leave your seat at the cinema because someone is munching on his pop corn too loud for your liking.

There are multiple reasons you are not allowed to suicide or leech. Players get upset that others are getting the same xp as them without playing. Even if this is a game that is all about grinding, it is unfair that others fight while your only goal is "get killed as fast as I can each round then ignore CRPG." If leeching/suicide was not against the rules, there could be enough leech/suicide players on the server that the team balance would be really fucked up. Players who actually want to play the game would have their experience ruined. With such a small population on NA 1, allowing people to do that would be a bad thing to do.

I think that even with his extensive ban history, even allers should not have been permabanned for this. He should have gotten a lengthly ban, much more than a first time offender. He knew what he was doing, but like others in this thread he probably thought that it was doing no harm and there wasn't any reason not to. I have explained above why this is not the case. I don't want leechers to ruin what is left of crpg, and I don't want to permaban anyone either. I would sooner give up adminship than permanently ban a player. You can quote this to canary I don't give a fuck.

Now downvote me and tell me that I am a rules-lawyer sperg who is obsessed with holding my vast admin powers over regular players. Take a shit down my throat because I enforce rules that make sense and prevent the game from turning into a festering hole of non-players grinding for xp by jumping off a bridge or running into a meatgrinder instead of fighting the enemy. Boo hoo admins touch each other's buttholes and laugh like hyenas as they punish innocent players who don't know any better and didn't break any rules. sperg admin crybaby witchcraft butthurt, unban allers. the days-long logs of him leeching are not enough evidence! give live video feed i am not a troll!!!!

How good are you with a wooden stick?

My alt is has 4 PS / 76 WPF and only uses the stick as a backup weapon. I do better than that, and I am several tiers below allers in terms of skill.