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[Oberyn]

The thing is Leshma, you're delusional enough to think arab countries could somehow prevail in a war over the current "empires", as you put it. What is happening isn't a war. No other people in existence have ever so blatantly, stupidly, wilfully attempted to eradicate themselves and their cultures in the face of obvious invasion by other people so clearly hostile to them.

Kafein...you understand how biology works, yes? It's not a matter of "deserving" or "fairness". If an entire group of people refuse to have children, then yes, they will dissapear in one generation. You can whine all you like, that's the reality of it. You yourself recognize you are working against your very instincts, that your philosophy makes sense only insofar as you separate it completely from the reality of being a human. You talk of evolutionary advantage, recognize that this what these things are, reject them, and then are surprised and offended when I tell you that people who don't follow these evolutionary advantages will simply be replaced by the ones that do, as has happened all throughout history. 

[Kafein]

You absolutely don't understand what I'm trying to say here. If an entire group of people stop caring about the survival of their group on the long term, these individuals are not actually affected by that. That's the extent of what I'm saying. What if in a century Sharia law is applied everywhere in Europe? I'll be dead. It only matters to me in the extent that I have irrational empathy towards animals according to their genetic similarity with me, even those I imagine far in the future. I'm not offended when you tell me how the world works, I know very well how the world works. I simply don't see any actual, rational motive to care about "my people" being replaced sometime in the future. The same reasoning applies to virtually anything really. My goal in life is not to be an instrument of some greater enterprise, whatever it may be. So what if everybody had the same line of reasoning? Well, obviously not everybody had that line of reasoning. It's not even a question worth asking.

[Oberyn]

Collective suicide by rationality, so beautiful. Truly we are the pinacle of human endeavour and intellectualism. You should just slit your wrists right now, the only reason you are living is because of these icky, irrational animal instincts. There is no "rational" reason why you should cling to life. Die now or die decades in the future, what is the difference? I only wish your parents had been as incredibly intelligent. People like you are, well, the exact opposite of an evolutionary advantage. And then you ask me what I mean by sick, twisted, hedonistic individualism? You are literally a degenerate example of homo sapiens, not in a figurative sense, in the biological sense, and proud of it.

[Kafein]

Collective suicide by rationality, so beautiful. Truly we are the pinacle of human endeavour and intellectualism. You should just slit your wrists right now, the only reason you are living is because of these icky, irrational animal instincts. There is no "rational" reason why you should cling to life. Die now or die decades in the future, what is the difference? I only wish your parents had been as incredibly intelligent. People like you are, well, the exact opposite of an evolutionary advantage. And then you ask me what I mean by sick, twisted, hedonistic individualism? You are literally a degenerate example of homo sapiens, not in a figurative sense, in the biological sense, and proud of it.

Maybe the truth is sick and twisted. Are you too fragile to handle your existence as a self-replicating construct of carbon that arose through and takes part in an aimless process? Do you think that process is beautiful or in any way more valuable than your own existence? If yes, to who is it valuable exactly? Obviously it's not valuable to you.

[Leshma]

The thing is Leshma, you're delusional enough to think arab countries could somehow prevail in a war over the current "empires", as you put it. What is happening isn't a war. No other people in existence have ever so blatantly, stupidly, wilfully attempted to eradicate themselves and their cultures in the face of obvious invasion by other people so clearly hostile to them.

If they use Trojan horse tactics to infiltrate enemy lines, later to start rebellion thanks to superior numbers. How that isn't act of war?

Also, I do not think they can win this struggle. Just saying that for humanity as a whole that would be for the best. Even you find it hard to find proofs that current Imperium isn't approaching state of decadence. Just read what your compatriots, fellow Europeans write in this thread. Where is their dignity, their courage, strife? They rationalize everything because they came to a point where it isn't clear to them what their goal in life should be. Willingly accepting current system as absolute. Systems just like Empires are meant to be crushed by even better ones, because that is the only way to advance.

Porn and computer games aren't brand new forms of entertainment, those are just digitalized versions of same means for self–indulgence that existed thousands years ago. Popularity of those were on their peak right before great collapse, when hordes of hungry, exploited masses purged those civilized lands.

Muslims started with stones, then got primitive guns, now they hold large parts of land and got some advanced weaponry. In which way other side advanced during same period of time?

[Oberyn]

It absolutely isn't look good for Europe, between the cancerous nihilists passively accepting their own collective destruction and the naive fucking idiots actively cheering it on, convinced that thinking in collective terms is nothing but pointless, useless "insecurity" and not an evolutionary addaptive trait developped over hundreds of thousands of years and blatantly present in every single other collective group not trying obliterate themselves. I rest easy at least knowing these diseases are killing themselves off.

I mean look at Heskey, how fucking retarded do you have to be to think like this? How does anything that you have said apply to any period of human history? How does it apply to ANY OTHER PEOPLE ON THE PLANET except the aforementioned suicidal european idiots? No worries, I'm sure absolute individualism and (selective) destruction of  tribal identities will lead to peace and prosperity for all.
We'll see I guess. If your moronic predictions are even close to reality I will die a happy man. Sadly I have actually read and understood history, have a perspective slightly larger than your navel gazing self-centeredness.

edit: Because I seriously still can't believe how fucking retarded Heskey is. Please go out in the streets and ask random british people if they wouldn't care if Britain becomes a Sharia based islamic theocracy in 100 years because they will be dead, and tell me the average response. Stupid fuckers who think caring about a future beyond your own existence is "irrational" aren't a majority, and given your propensity for being childless cat ladies and fat sexless nerds you never will be.

[Xant]

It absolutely isn't look good for Europe, between the cancerous nihilists passively accepting their own collective destruction

Everyone dies. Everyone gets "destructed." Why care about what happens after you die? You won't be there to see or experience it. It literally won't matter to you.

an evolutionary addaptive trait developped over hundreds of thousands of years

Something being an evolutionary adaptive trait developed over hundreds of thousands of years means nothing at all. The blind idiot god programming something through trial-and-error that helped a species survive has no bearing on what an individual should do today. You seem to have this weird god worship of evolution, as if everything produced by it is somehow not only the best thing ever but also supremely moral.

No worries, I'm sure absolute individualism and (selective) destruction of  tribal identities will lead to peace and prosperity for all.

Who has even claimed that?

It's weird because you're talking about several different things as if they're the same, like thinking Kafein not caring what happens in Europe after he's dead to him thinking individualism will lead to peace and prosperity for all, etc.

[Christo]

Not even the combined power of a chill pill and Snickers was enough to stop the fury of the unstoppable Oberyn.

[Kafein]

According to Oberyn, I'm literally slitting my wrists and I'm in favor of Sharia law in Europe, the destruction of my culture and the invasion of Europe by Muslims. He does that so often to everybody I don't even raise it anymore.

You seem to have this weird god worship of evolution, as if everything produced by it is somehow not only the best thing ever but also supremely moral.

Thanks, you are putting it better than I do.

[Tibe]

Yeah. What the hell Kafein. Still havent produced any babies for your homeland or joined the nationalist front that spends majority of its time fanatically masturbating on their flags. God, you can be so selfish sometimes.

[Oberyn]

Postulate: Lack of social and collective cohesion will lead to the dissapearance of european culture.
Response: Who cares, it doesn't matter. Why would I give a shit about a future where I don't exist?

So basically proving me right. Yes, you dumb cunts, not caring about preserving a collective identity will lead to it's dissapearance. For people so "rational" and "logical" you apparently can't add one plus one, or see how one of these things is the obvious conclusion of the other. It really doesn't matter at all if tribalism is "moral". It's effective, always has been and always will be. Your dumb shit hyperindividualistic philosophy will collapse under it's own nihilistic weight and will be replaced by something more fit to the reality of human nature. Not these delusions of being some sort of "new men" completely divorced from everything that came before. We are STILL subject to evolutionary pressures, as we always have been. You're just too fucking dumb to see it. No worries, as I said plenty of other cultures around will mantain the same mechanisms of self-perpetuation while yours will be consigned to the trashbin of history. Guess which ones will exist into the future? The ones filled with idiots unable to see that the only reason they even exist is because of these mechanisms, rejecting them as "irrational", or the ones that embrace them wholeheartedly? It's sad when the only person I can haflway agree with in a thread is Leshma, but there you go. Eastern euro's just haven't been subject to the same endless brain washing I suppose.

[Tibe]

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Postulate: Lack of social and collective cohesion will lead to the dissapearance of european culture.
Response: Who cares, it doesn't matter. Why would I give a shit about a future where I don't exist?

So basically proving me right. Yes, you dumb cunts, not caring about preserving a collective identity will lead to it's dissapearance. For people so "rational" and "logical" you apparently can't add one plus one, or see how one of these things is the obvious conclusion of the other. It really doesn't matter at all if tribalism is "moral". It's effective, always has been and always will be. Your dumb shit hyperindividualistic philosophy will collapse under it's own nihilistic weight and will be replaced by something more fit to the reality of human nature. Not these delusions of being some sort of "new men" completely divorced from everything that came before. We are STILL subject to evolutionary pressures, as we always have been. You're just too fucking dumb to see it. No worries, as I said plenty of other cultures around will mantain the same mechanisms of self-perpetuation while yours will be consigned to the trashbin of history. Guess which ones will exist into the future? The ones filled with idiots unable to see that the only reason they even exist is because of these mechanisms, or the ones that embrace them wholeheartedly? It's sad when the only person I can haflway agree with in a thread is Leshma, but there you go. Eastern euro's just haven't been subject to the same endless brain washing I suppose.

Eastern-EUs are becoming quite individualistic aswell. Just because we are fully aware that our populance will not get along with immigrants doesnt really count for anything. It has nothing to do with preservation of culture. We dont really care that much about our culture or making babies either. The extremely low birth rates and the polls that majority of the populance will leave the country and never even bother to look back  incase of an annexation shows this quite well. The tribalism here is actually extremely weak. Dont let the anti-immigration stance fool you into believing otherwise.

[LordBerenger]

Not even the combined power of a chill pill and Snickers was enough to stop the fury of the unstoppable Oberyn.

Maybe he needs to take a nap

[Kafein]

At this point I'm tempted to give up. He will clearly never understand.

Just for the sake of it:

For people so "rational" and "logical" you apparently can't add one plus one, or see how one of these things is the obvious conclusion of the other.

I think all of us see that as clearly as you do. I merely question the premise that the only thing I should care about is the survival of my genes. Yes, that leads to their disappearance, we know that already. Can you justify in any way why the survival of your genes beyond your death is important to you?

Not these delusions of being some sort of "new men" completely divorced from everything that came before.

Who the hell claimed that?

Guess which ones will exist into the future?

I don't care?

Eastern euro's just haven't been subject to the same endless brain washing I suppose.

What brain-washing?

[Xant]

Your dumb shit hyperindividualistic philosophy will collapse under it's own nihilistic weight and will be replaced by something more fit to the reality of human nature.

So what?