0.3.3.7

[Gurnisson]

Now that shows that whoever made this is... special. Do you just want to reduce cav or what was actually the thought behind it? I'd like to be able to follow your point of view on balancing/changing.

Well, I didn't bring these changes up, but cav is/was very strong, no doubt about it. Some adjustments were deserved. Personally I found some of the original suggestions too harsh, that's probably the reason why the first and harshest requirement change didn't go through. However, I've played a lot of 21/18 with Mamluk Horse, and that is very, very strong. At least with 8 riding your health pool has to be somewhat reduced, which can make mistakes deadlier.

While it is somewhat sad that I can't use my +3 Mamluk without a STF character, as both my lancer and 1h cav can only reach 7 riding with the free respec, this change still feels like a positive. 5 riding, high strength and high tier armour was too strong for little investment. I hope you at least can agree with the fact that 5 riding for many of the top horses of the game was a bit too little investment for what they give?

[Kartoffel_Salat]

cav should get full respec imo

[Algarn]

Everyone should get full respec imo

Fixed it for you. Seriously, we got a topic with more than 15 pages which are talking about solutions about giving respecs for everyone, but the worst thing is that is standing for months. Why not giving a damned free respec there ? I see people screwed up a bit everywhere if their build wasn't balanced, and others (not only cavs afaik) that are simply tired of their builds. Give community what it wants, give the chance to everyone to play different builds without loosing 6 millions of gold or 50% of the time you did grind.

[Grumpy_Nic]

Well, I didn't bring these changes up, but cav is/was very strong, no doubt about it. Some adjustments were deserved. Personally I found some of the original suggestions too harsh, that's probably the reason why the first and harshest requirement change didn't go through. However, I've played a lot of 21/18 with Mamluk Horse, and that is very, very strong. At least with 8 riding your health pool has to be somewhat reduced, which can make mistakes deadlier.

While it is somewhat sad that I can't use my +3 Mamluk without a STF character, as both my lancer and 1h cav can only reach 7 riding with the free respec, this change still feels like a positive. 5 riding, high strength and high tier armour was too strong for little investment. I hope you at least can agree with the fact that 5 riding for many of the top horses of the game was a bit too little investment for what they give?

Actually the thing that I'm really upset about is that I have 2 +3 horses and can only use 1 now. The other is unreachable with this minor respec. Some days ago I had a mamluk and a plated charger but luckily traded the plated away. That would've been 6 LP out the window.
I mean, after all thats hundreds of hours that I spent in this game to get the items I want and then you just put them out of my reach. This is so frustrating, I dont mind small changes much but thats just so character-ruining.

[Thranduil]

While I like that cav has been nerfed, I do feel it may have been nerfed just a bit too much when you look at the new requirements. I feel that armored horses would be fine with 6 difficulty and the chargers/mamluk at 7. I would also put desert horse and eastern horse at 6. None of the horses should have requirement above 7 IMHO.

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I also have an ulterior motive saying this. A few of my maps have updates that didn't quite make the patch so a hotfix would be a nice excuse to get them updated. 

[Kampfkarotte]

I like most of the changes, but I don't like that they increased riding requirement of heavy horses from 5 to 8(!)
Guess that almost banned them, I mean who has 8 riding? I'm sure most cav players dont..

[chesterotab]

With all of these mini respecs and reworks recently, my 27-15 generic 2h strength whore build i had a year ago has become a 21-21 pure zen balance 420 king of KD, 2h/pole/1h hybrid 6 riding build.

I am pleased at most everything EXCEPT all the 8 difficulty horses. I never used them in battle (heraldic barded for life), but 8 difficulty will make those 3 horses mostly extinct on battle, and for sure you will never see them in strat after the gold change coupled with this. Less variety is never a good thing.

Buff charger, mamluk, plated charger to 7 riding.

[mrrdhardy]

want to nerf heavy cav then change the armour and hit points but not the riding

[Dutchydave]

Seriously this is pathetic, why make such radical changes Tydeus? Why don't you do your maths with the cav respect. If you put the riding requirement up by 3 that's 9 attributes you need to respect, with just 3 attributes respeced you prob just totally wrecked a shit ton of peoples builds. Narrow minded 

[Latvian]

Seriously this is pathetic, why make such radical changes Tydeus? Why don't you do your maths with the cav respect. If you put the riding requirement up by 3 that's 9 attributes you need to respect, with just 3 attributes respeced you prob just totally wrecked a shit ton of peoples builds. Narrow minded 

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[Tydeus]

Love the patch so far

But whats up with this? 

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I think it was a copy paste fail in the proposal thread, but when I went to commit the changes I saw it and laughed. I figured at least one other person would see it and chuckle, or even better, we'd get a person QQ'ing about it.

[Sandersson Jankins]

I feel that many horses got nerfed too much. Cavalry wasn't "over-powered", it wasn't too strong. It simply punished stupidity.

You want to run forward from spawn holding the w-key, playing with no sound and refusing to look around you? You're gonna get wrecked.

You want to become so absorbed in a fight that you don't listen to any sounds around you, and you develop massive tunnel-vision? You're gonna get wrecked.

You pay attention and face the cavalry player using anything other than short blunt 1h weapons? The cavalry player is gonna get wrecked.

I'm prepared for the massive horde of throwers that can't be assed to melee anymore, or never learned to do it in the first place, though. Gonna be cool.

[Macropus]

I'm prepared for the massive horde of throwers that can't be assed to melee anymore, or never learned to do it in the first place, though. Gonna be cool.

We've been having Golovorezik for quite some time already, a 150 ping lance thrower who somehow wrecks.

[Johammeth]

We've been having Golovorezik for quite some time already, a 150 ping lance thrower who somehow wrecks.

Perhaps he's the world's first X-man, with the rather underwhelming ability to see precisely 150 milliseconds into the future?

[Bulzur]

Eastern horse got a little love, but damn that price increase.
I didn't care about the -1 requirement, i'd rather have a true "weak" 8 riding requirement horse, now that all the heavy ones fall in the category.


I'm sad to see the courser, and really freaking out. I'll probably go siege to "evade" all the couching noobs...