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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #75 on: May 23, 2014, 09:42:47 pm »
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Pride and nationalism.

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #76 on: May 23, 2014, 09:50:50 pm »
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Backwardness and xenophobia.
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #77 on: May 23, 2014, 10:02:47 pm »
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Yeah call me biased and blinkered but multiculturalism is actually part of what makes England a desirable place to live.

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #78 on: May 23, 2014, 10:14:02 pm »
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but there must be more behind it :I
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #79 on: May 23, 2014, 10:24:56 pm »
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Yeah call me biased and blinkered but multiculturalism is actually part of what makes England a desirable place to live.

I don't think UKIP voters see it that way.

but there must be more behind it :I

It's a tradition in the UK too, which retains its memories of a colonial empire and tries to pretend those are more than memories. It's people that live in the 19th century, oblivious of the reality of the world we live in.

I'll personally vote liberal, of course. I would rank the other parties in that order:
  • The "people" party is okay but too conservative
  • The pseudo-red are corrupt, indecisive and conservative
  • The greens are increasingly just another flavor of red. Amazingly, they were the first to blame green-washing on the others in the Kyoto era, but since the crisis they have been hardcore red-washing. If they were really green they would be my second choice.
  • The real reds are, as always, a bunch of idealistic morons governed by intelligent careerists
  • I don't think I need to explain why I am not voting for cookies and chocolates

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #80 on: May 23, 2014, 11:14:39 pm »
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Fixed that for you.


yup pretty much want a federal Europe or fuck you eh teeth?
We didn't vote for a European union the last referendum was for an economic union. Is it really so wrong to ask the people if they actually want to be apart of where this is heading or is that too democratic for the EU?


Basically Immigration is a massive concern for a majority of British which is why the votes go to ukip for this election but wont for the General one. Nearly everyone ive spoken to wants a points based immigration system like other countries so students and qualified people who are in demand can come like australia. Freedom for everyone to come in from Europe without a penny doesn't go down well. Un elected officials making laws for all europe angers people even more.

From what i can gather most people want a chance to have a say on if they want to leave a union but keep an economic community. We don't want laws dictated to us by other countries we dont want to make a United States of Europe.

Call us xenophobic or whatever but generally people have no problem with people who come here to work and learn english (Indians etc get on great here) but people who come here to claim benefits and ask for council houses etc angers the public.



TL:DR we dont want europe giving us laws and these are protest and angry votes for pretty unimportant elections. General elections will see UKIP drop a lot.
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #81 on: May 23, 2014, 11:45:40 pm »
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Well, I merely translated the words pride and nationalism to what they mean in my eyes without reflecting on larger anti-EU sentiments. There is definitely a huge bag of understandable criticism that you can throw at the EU, however voting for the UKIP definitely makes you a backwards xenophobe. The party program is just a nauseating nationalistic and shortsighted shitstain like all of the populist nationalistic parties popping up accross Europe.

The sooner we break through pointless divides like religion, race and nationality and realize we are all humans of similar value, the quicker humanity is going to actually get somewhere. I believe EU is a good step towards achieving that. I do want a federal Europe, hell I want a federal world, but we aren't ready for either yet.

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #82 on: May 23, 2014, 11:54:40 pm »
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yup pretty much want a federal Europe or fuck you eh teeth?
We didn't vote for a European union the last referendum was for an economic union. Is it really so wrong to ask the people if they actually want to be apart of where this is heading or is that too democratic for the EU?

You are being asked right now, or is that too much democracy ?

The heart of the "problem" is exactly what that idiot was saying about Van Rompuy and Belgium. Belgium isn't a nation-state, it's a multicultural federal state. UKIP supporters think a nation-state is a good thing. It's mind-boggling how in the 21st century people can live with such ideas. I mean, have you even opened a history book in your life ? Why are British people "we" ? They aren't your friends. They aren't worth more in your eyes than anybody else, unless you are a manipulated retard.

Basically Immigration is a massive concern for a majority of British which is why the votes go to ukip for this election but wont for the General one. Nearly everyone ive spoken to wants a points based immigration system like other countries so students and qualified people who are in demand can come like australia. Freedom for everyone to come in from Europe without a penny doesn't go down well. Un elected officials making laws for all europe angers people even more.

From what i can gather most people want a chance to have a say on if they want to leave a union but keep an economic community. We don't want laws dictated to us by other countries we dont want to make a United States of Europe.

Call us xenophobic or whatever but generally people have no problem with people who come here to work and learn english (Indians etc get on great here) but people who come here to claim benefits and ask for council houses etc angers the public.



TL:DR we dont want europe giving us laws and these are protest and angry votes for pretty unimportant elections. General elections will see UKIP drop a lot.

So, basic anti-immigrant rhetoric.

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #83 on: May 24, 2014, 12:07:52 am »
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if basic anti immigration is only wanting immigrants who contribute to the country and society and not ones who come here to claim benefits then yes im anti immigrant? If i want to move to Australia or Canada to live and work then i damn well better have the means to do so and the qualifications to succeed, I cant just turn and say let me in im sure ill find some kind of work. why should the UK be any different just because we are in Europe?
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #84 on: May 24, 2014, 12:28:07 am »
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Whats wrong with not wanting to be a part of EU? EU isn't working and isn't doing anyone good. I hope we leave EEA and Schengen asap.

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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #85 on: May 24, 2014, 02:08:56 am »
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All I care about is that the UK doesn't leave the EU and invalidate the worth of my British Citizenship. Frankly the best bit of the UK is that if you're a citizen you don't have to live there.
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #86 on: May 24, 2014, 05:38:32 am »
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Add Putin and Vote for him  :P
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #87 on: May 24, 2014, 10:58:06 am »
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Warning: large wall of text, the conclusion is at the very bottom if you feel lazy :)

Wow, thanks for all the answers, even HESKEYTIME bothered to answer me via crpg-message board although he´s muted

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So if I see it right, the UK mostly wants to get out of the EU because of regulations, immigrant issues and national pride (which isn´t always a bad thing imo).

The EU is a large political and economic experiment and all in all it has worked well so far. For me it is one step of getting closer to a international thinking world and that´s a good thing (although I sound like a fucking hippie here *eyesroll*).
Of course the regulations aren´t always great, but as a union, we have to help other countries when their politics fuck up and/or go bankrupt (greece *cough cough*). For helping countries and beind sorta "international social", we receive massive economical and trade benefits inside of the EU.

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...they want to leave a union but keep an economic community
No offense, but this is why a lot of people see the UK as a freeloader in the EU; you want a piece of the cake but not do anything for it or take any responsibilities, that´s not gonna work.

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EU isn't working and isn't doing anyone good.
A lot of ppl say that in Austria. They forget that, without the economical benefits, we would have been bankrupt like, TEN times. Schilling was a lovely currency and warms the heart of nostalgics (mine too :)), but it was weak as fuck. We couldn´t sit on our fat asses and rant about tiny problems without the EU today. :lol:

The party which currently gains more power and is against EU is the FPÖ here. In a nutshell, the FPÖ is a bunch of corrupt, lying and extremely racist/xenophob dumb monkeys, who are lucky to know what a lot of people want to hear, sadly they have some smart (and dirty) moves to get votes (f.e. bribes or inviting people for a lunch with OUR money).
They get a lot of votes because people like to rant about some issues and errors the EU made (small, useless regulations (size of pickles etc), bigger, economical regulations and mostly regulations which benefit immigrants; but the people don´t think about the massive benefits we received because nobody likes talks about the good things; ranting about bad things is way more fun (and part of the austrian spirit, it´s called "raunzen")
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There´s a huge hate against immigrants and foreigners in Austria, since we also have our problems with gangs going to Austria for some kind of "stealing/begging trip" (mostly romanians/bulgarians; thank god there´s less hate against turks than 10 years before[I couldn´t think of an Austria without Kebap anymore :D])).
The mistake they make is that they then think that EVERY foreigner is a burglar and criminal, although we also have a lot of good foreign students/workers. As if the government doesn´t try to sort out the workers from the criminals/beggars *eyesroll*

FPÖ´s fav slogans are stuff like "daham statt islam" (home instead of islam), "eu ist dumm" (eu is stupid) and other retardness like releasing racist/chauvinistic comics or making ridiculous raps. I mean LOOK AT THAT RETARD OH GOD, does anyone wants THIS monkey to take care of your money/health/education?? A lot of people seem to want that -.-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAEP08ps-JM

Farage is a great stand-up comedian and probably represents well what most of the UK wants, still, you can say that in a less asshole-ish way. Making fun of people who work hard to keep a system up makes me want to slap him in his face :/ But I get the message that he really wants to get out of the EU badly.

ok in a nutshell: UK mostly wants to get out of the EU because of regulations, immigrant issues and national pride. They can if they want to, I just hope that they won´t regret it and can keep their economics up.
Correct me if I missed something.

btw thanks a lot for the answers!!
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #88 on: May 24, 2014, 11:37:55 am »
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No offense, but this is why a lot of people see the UK as a freeloader in the EU; you want a piece of the cake but not do anything for it or take any responsibilities, that´s not gonna work.

The question is what exactly do we gain? We put in a lot of cash etc but i see nothing great that the EU actually gives us except rules and regulations. The only thing i can see good about the EU is free trade etc. I cant see any other real benefits. Unless im mistaken which is ofc very possible with such a massive bureaucratic system. Not saying this is accurate just an interesting article even it it does ignore most other parts of the EU

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2052433/Chart-How-does-Britain-pay-EU-does-back.html

Britain's EU contributions chart

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Being a member of the European Union has been a one-way street for Britain. Contributions from Britain to the EU budget have outstripped the benefits received in every single year  of membership.
In total since 1979, Britain has paid in about €260 billion (£228 billion). It has received back  in benefits just €163 billion (£143 billion). The difference of €97 billion (£85 billion at today’s exchange rate) has been Britain’s subsidy to the European project.
Each nation’s contribution is based mainly on its Gross National Income, a measure of its economic output and earnings from overseas. The budget is spent on a range of projects to do with agriculture, fisheries, social projects and other Brussels subsidies.
Britain’s contribution figure would have been even higher had it not been for Margaret Thatcher’s tough stance in 1984, when she famously negotiated a rebate on the basis  that the vast bulk of EU spending went on agricultural subsidies and Britain received a far lower proportion of this than other nations.


I would like opinions on what others like about the EU rather than just screaming OMG XENOPHOBIC RACIST YOUR STUPID etc. How about a real post with reasons instead of crap like this

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UKIP supporters think a nation-state is a good thing. It's mind-boggling how in the 21st century people can live with such ideas. I mean, have you even opened a history book in your life ? Why are British people "we" ? They aren't your friends. They aren't worth more in your eyes than anybody else, unless you are a manipulated retard.

just because someone doesn't hold the same views as you doesn't make them a manipulated retard get out of your own ass and maybe post why you think its stupid?
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Re: EU vote 2014, GO VOTE OR DIE
« Reply #89 on: May 24, 2014, 11:40:30 am »
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When something is wrong, it's always easier to find an easy target and throw all shit to him.
Making him guilty of everything is what humans prefers because it's the easiest way.
This is how the extremist become strong.

The over way is much harder and requires much more thinking, intellect, global world understanding, etc....
And of course EU has some troubles, but these who thinks that leaving EU will solv their problems are going to shot a ball in their foot. (especially with the world-globalization)
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EDIT: i do not like our current EU system, which is made of bureaucrats and illegitimate members, but it's not a reason to leave EU.
We must change it, not leaving it.