Throwing needs a serius buff <-----------------------------

[Algarn]

Such a waste of time typing wall of texts, even uploading screens of what I'm complaining about, when I can't even face to such anti - ranged lobbyists that think a jarid or a bodkin in a head cannot kill anything and didn't in real life.

[Mendro]

didn't in real life.

Thinking about realism is not a good option for balance.

[Tydeus]

Such a waste of time typing wall of texts, even uploading screens of what I'm complaining about, when I can't even face to such anti - ranged lobbyists that think a jarid or a bodkin in a head cannot kill anything and didn't in real life.

It's a video game. Realism only counts for so much. 1 shots, aren't fun, particularly when they come from a damage source that you yourself can't do anything against. Head hits might very well need to do more damage, but hitting someone in the head isn't so hard, or so skill dependent, that it deserves to be a 1 hit kill 100% of the time.

[Mendro]

1 shots, aren't fun, particularly when they come from a damage source that you yourself can't do anything against

I understand this point, but it's not fun for me when I have 10 pt and just 9 ammo to see a guys surviving to jarid in the head.

And the 1h shots fact it's happening with 1h cav.

[Tydeus]

I understand this point, but it's not fun for me when I have 10 pt and just 9 ammo to see a guys surviving to jarid in the head.

And the 1h shots fact it's happening with 1h cav.

Yeah, I get 1hit by 1h/2h cav all the time. It is indeed a problem, and we're trying to address that issue as well as other issues that cause cav to clearly be overpowered atm. Unfortunately, it's significantly harder to address, particularly because one relies on hardcoded numbers(cav), the other(ranged) can simply be changed through the module system(for the most part).

[Utrakil]

Why do we have to get rid of 1shot kills.
If you get 1shot killed by cav you clearly didn't watch out for them. Same with throwers. If you are aware you can dodge. Nobody complaines about being 1shotted by a 2H-Str-hero.So leave the possibility to other classes as well.
And to come bach to the topic:
Just watch EU1 and see all cav charging straight into throwers because they know nothing is going to happen. This is just wrong and needs to be undone by giving back the full speedbonus.

[F i n]

Why do we have to get rid of 1shot kills.
If you get 1shot killed by cav you clearly didn't watch out for them. Same with throwers. If you are aware you can dodge. Nobody complaines about being 1shotted by a 2H-Str-hero.So leave the possibility to other classes as well.
And to come bach to the topic:
Just watch EU1 and see all cav charging straight into throwers because they know nothing is going to happen. This is just wrong and needs to be undone by giving back the full speedbonus.

This.

[San]

Headshot damage is 2.5x damage iirc. You'll need to deal 25-30 non-headshot damage if you want to 1-shot. You couldn't confirm the HP of the person in the first picture, but your maximum damage should have been within 1-shot range and minimum damage very close to death. Most of those later pictures also had people with 65+, who should be resilient against ranged, or damage penalties implied through limb damage and negative speed bonus. Some ranged proposals that dealt with some aspects mentioned above were voted down.

1shot damage from bumpslash/stab should definitely be hindered at least.

Hopped on a thrower last night for a short while, 21-18 with throwing spears, and it was just fine. I consistently dealt 25-30 damage to everything, got valour, and ended up topping the scoreboard by the end of the map. Low PT throwing, cut throwing, and low tier throwing weapons definitely need some help, but the jav/spear/jarid line is just fine or should receive a very tiny bump at most. There's another upcoming change that I want to see how it turns out before I consider trying to get those weapons buffed.

[Mendro]

but the jav/spear/jarid line is just fine

Depending.
Against cav it's useless. Even HA or HX

[San]

There's another upcoming change that I want to see how it turns out before I consider trying to get those weapons buffed.

[Algarn]

Fine. It's alright, I'm just gonna leave it here then. Standing still against a thrower with no negative bonus speed and shot in the chest by a throwing lance.

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Are you satisfied there ? Plus of course proposals about ranged's damages will be voted down, what do you expect ? To be honest either remove the ability for everyone to 1hit people (talking about 1h/2h cav) or allow it for everyone. I see cavs with arabian cavalry swords 2 hitting me while moving at ~ 10km/h all the week, and I see such aberrations about throwing and ranged in general for 2 years now. Just look at those screens, and even without mentioning the speed bonus or any other mechanic of that game, do you think someone that got a lance through his torso can stay alive and fight like nothing happened ? It's not about a lack realism there, but about a freaking nonsense.

[Grumbs]

The game is full of unrealistic stuff. You're focusing on the realism points that support your version of how the gameplay should be. That can easily be done for whichever agenda you might have about game balance

At least with cav everyone has a very easy way to negate 100% of the damage. All you need is awareness and a melee weapon. If you die to cav its probably something you did wrong. However I could see 1 and 2 hand cav damage being reduced, or there should be a stronger emphasis on timing the swing rather than it hitting in a huge arc. Or the bump mechanics could be tweaked so you don't get bumped as easily

[Algarn]

I wonder if you would do better against cav with my char level 35 Grumbs... You probably never played archer, and therefore never saw a cav bumpslashing you while you were trying to escape or to kill his horse.

[F i n]

Or the bump mechanics could be tweaked so you don't get bumped as easily

That would actually be a good thing.

Like you're only bumped if the Horse is moving above xxxx speed and hitting you with the middle of it's chest.

Or - being hit (the horse) slows it down.

[Okkam]

bring back 2010 balance. All this balancers kindergarten just irritate. Same with upkeep and slot system. Silly, but market was only one BIG improvement for last 3 years.