Throwing needs a serius buff <-----------------------------

[Grumbs]

Hoplite is good

A problem with poles now is the high movement speed penalty. That with the new shorter reach makes them a bit underpowered in general. Makes it so weapons that should feel quite long actually get outranged by short stuff because you move much slower compared to shorter weapons

[Ellie]

I mostly play a dedicated thrower, and I kind of disagree with this, in general. A few items here and there could use a buff ammo-wise, but damage seems to be at a good point.

The main issue is the ranged stun nerf, really hurts dedicated throwing a bit since you can't keep a long distance like an archer and still expect to hit things reliably. You have to get in close, and if you can't stun someone, you might as well not even have throwing since you'll be forced into melee anyways.

That being said, I mostly stick to Stone throwing lately (I suck at accuracy and tend to TK way too much with jarids or lances). Usually just support people by staggering enemies in combat or stoning archers, but was able to get 3 kills in a single round this morning. Throwing does not need a buff if someone as terrible at it as me can occasionally get decent kills.

[Tydeus]

A problem with poles now is the high movement speed penalty. That with the new shorter reach makes them a bit underpowered in general. Makes it so weapons that should feel quite long actually get outranged by short stuff because you move much slower compared to shorter weapons

The recent speed bonus changes only applied to ranged damage calculations, not melee.

[Grumbs]

The recent speed bonus changes only applied to ranged damage calculations, not melee.

I meant the reduced movement speed you get from the length of the weapon. Longer poles just don't feel like they have good effective reach atm, which should be their strong suit.

[Tydeus]

I meant the reduced movement speed you get from the length of the weapon. Longer poles just don't feel like they have good effective reach atm, which should be their strong suit.

Ahhh. That would be the polearm thrust animation. I'm still debating whether or not to actually fix it, as a real fix will require changing it so much, that it won't have the same feeling as the native thrust. I'd have to change the beginning of the anim so you actually pull the arms further back, before lurching forward and extending the arms, then take a few frames from the beginning of the release_continue and add them to the end of the release. It'll feel less glancy, but timing hits will definitely be different than timing with the native thrust.

[Utrakil]

Ahhh. That would be the polearm thrust animation. I'm still debating whether or not to actually fix it, as a real fix will require changing it so much, that it won't have the same feeling as the native thrust. I'd have to change the beginning of the anim so you actually pull the arms further back, before lurching forward and extending the arms, then take a few frames from the beginning of the release_continue and add them to the end of the release. It'll feel less glancy, but timing hits will definitely be different than timing with the native thrust.

OK bring it!

[Mendro]

I just see a guy surviving from a masterwork jarid in this head. I have 10 PT.
Even If he is a plated guys, I don't feel this balance.

[Algarn]

If tydeus could set back the missile speed like before, it'd be great !

[Tydeus]

If tydeus could set back the missile speed like before, it'd be great !

I changed the throwing missile speed...? What?

[Kafein]

I changed the throwing missile speed...? What?

That sentence didn't imply that you changed it in the first place.

[San]

Missile speed was reduced by 1 a long time ago (and throwing spears -2). Not much of a big deal. On the flip side, accuracy has been increased by 20-30+ for most weapons since then, too.

[Rico]

I just see a guy surviving from a masterwork jarid in this head. I have 10 PT.
Even If he is a plated guys, I don't feel this balance.

I agree this sounds wrong, but there are people who survive fully loomed Arbalest bolts (100p instead of 41p*(1+0.1*10)) into the head.

[Grumbs]

Kinda strange that people don't expect to die from an axe to the head but clicking on a guy from a distance should be insta kill

Throwing is good, OP when you have good melee too

[Algarn]

I made mistake in my post, really ...

I'm talking about the speed bonus, and not the missile speed. It seems logical that if you run toward an archer or a thrower, you 'll get hit harder than in the case you would be running in the opposite direction.

[Tydeus]

I made mistake in my post, really ...

I'm talking about the speed bonus, and not the missile speed. It seems logical that if you run toward an archer or a thrower, you 'll get hit harder than in the case you would be running in the opposite direction.

That's still the case, it just doesn't make as massive of a difference as it did before.