When are macro abusers getting banned?

[Gnjus]

they should have their hands cut off and nailed in the gates of Vienna.

[Paul]

I don't think macro feinting is effective in cRPG. It just looks stupid here.

[Son Of Odin]

What if I told you that Qoray would tear through you if he uses his longswords solely because you can't deal with the feints.

Dunno... I guess I'd have to play and see those infamous feints myself then . There is always ranged and cav to deal with guys like that too

Still feint spam is overrated and lame.

[Angellore]

they should have their hands cut off and nailed in the gates of Vienna.

But they don't need hands to use macro anyway - they can run it even with nose .

On a serious note, fortunatelly this isn't big problem on battle/siege servers. Just few people uses macro feinting there. It gives them clear advantage, you can check this by watching how they are playing. Most of those macro-feinted attacks reaches the target, so it is very effective (otherwise, they wouldn't use macro at all).
But look at people who uses this - they aren't really top players. Yeah, they do nice KDR (thanks to macro), but from their gameplay you just see they aren't good players (mainly blocking part reveals this). Best players don't need macro to do well. Those who uses macro, are not good enough to play well, so they prefer to annoy others with macro than being annoyed by their incompetence (which is understandable).
The problem is in Warband itself - devs just didn't predict this can be a problem in future - you can cancel current animation and start another one straight away anytime, how many times you like to, which gives possiblity to use macro. I hope in Bannerlord, devs will implement uncancelable feint animations or delays between feint possibility (which will last like ~0.2s). This way you won't be able to get clear advantage using macro.

When I played as an archer, I had funny situation with one of known EU macro feinters. In battle mode I took an arrow from the ground and didn't notice I dropped my sword. Later, known macro feinter attacked me, and I couldn't take out sword, because I didn't have one with me, so I stayed surprised and defenceless with bow in my hands. The guy made 5 feints and hit me once, then another 5 feints and killed me with his second attack. I was laughing so hard. It still brings a smile on my face when I think about this situation .

[HoboJoe]

Well, I think I use really high sensitivity. Let's see, if I move my mouse about 2.2 cm sideways I will have done a 360, so that is 16 degrees of turning per milimeter of mouse movement.

Mine's like 30cm for a 360 turn :S

[jtobiasm]

Let's see, if I move my mouse about 2.2 cm sideways I will have done a 360,

Holy fuck, i need to use about 25cm* (to be EXACT) to do a 360.

[Utrakil]

Holy fuck, i need to use about 25cm* (to be EXACT) to do a 360.

Your hands must hurt after a while.
I need 1.5 cm to cross my monitor with the cursor or do 360° turn in c-rpg.

[Son Of Odin]

Holy fuck, i need to use about 25cm* (to be EXACT) to do a 360.

Mine's like 30cm for a 360 turn :S

Ranged spotted. No way you're playing melee with those settings

[HoboJoe]

Only played one generation of archer, but sort of true, the high sensitivity traces back to a fast paced shooter, Painkiller. Use the same for melee still.

[Jona]

From watching these videos I have come to a conclusion: 2h2hard.

[darmaster]

sorry guys but i'd like to point a few things to you, since you'd clearly fail to get them on your own:

first, qoray is an asshole

[Unwilling_Villain]

As native player I can say that only bad players use macro because good player can be skilled enough to make these feints without it. Its not hard to defend against macro, Qoray is very easy for me to hit quickly lots of times while he does feints. Most deaths occur because enemy out-times or out-ranges me, not because of these feint.

[Tears of Destiny]

Macros are not nearly as effective in cRPG as they are in Native, because feinting in cRPG is slow compared to Native.

So much this.

[jack786]

go spectator and watch how Qoray fights

[Butan]

Those who say macros are bad on their own, I agree with them.


The problem is people that are very good at the game, without macros, who use macros on top of their very good skill, putting them on top of their equally skilled opponents who doesnt use macros. Those are the people to target in priority, because they push past the boundaries of "normal skill ceiling" by the combination of human skill and software skill. I treat macros like autoblock in this sense, because if you're really a legit good player and use those things to boost your skill, you become imba. The only difference to me, is that autoblock is easier to detect, but this is another topic.



Good skill + macro =

- you have combat awareness (to know when to use/cancel macros),
- you know what are the most efficient/most confusing combo to bind to your macro (right or left feint / stab or stab feint / left or right, looking at the ground, to name the most infamous)



I understand we cant punish those people solely by software detection, because we just cant. But it is so dirtily obvious when someone uses macro, as long as you've played the game long enough and are aware of the speed input limit of only using your mouse buttons, that it should be possible for admin to give local punishment to infamous macro users, if they want to have a feasable anti-macro policy. It would be open to interpretations, but I think we can agree on some solid names of macro users  it is the "pot aux roses" of cRPG.





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