Flamberge vs Great Long Bardiche

[kono yaro!]

Disregarding footwork, if you block your opponent's attack and attack as soon as you can afterwards, your opponent can never hit before you do. No matter the weapon speed.

[Glyph]

untrue, so than you suggest you can never feint either?! if you have a wakaz...thing vs a flamberge you can. but that doesn't happen a lot because of footwork.

[Diavolo]

I think a lot of people dont realize that GLB is a polearm. Yes, a polearm. That means that the polearm animation is being used on the GLB. Some of you may be ignorant bastards who havent payed attention to this, but the polearm animation removes about 20 length on a weapon. The weight and speed difference on these 2 are negligible, through I have heard that the 2 hand animation is faster than the polearm one, though I am not sure about this.

Great Long Bardiche
price 13,705
weapon length: 155  (135 effective)
weight: 3.8
difficulty: 18
speed rating: 87
weapon length: 155   (135 effective)
thrust damage: 18 pierce
swing damage: 46 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced
Bonus against Shield


Flamberge
price 18,777
weapon length: 152
weight: 4
difficulty: 18
speed rating: 86
weapon length: 152
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 46 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Can't sheath

So as we can see we have the differences: flamberge costs more, flamberge is 20 longer (a lot), GLB has bonus against shield, and the GLB is unbalanced which makes it impossible to duel with.

[Gorath]

is unbalanced which makes it impossible to duel with.

I very much beg to differ.  Much harder?  Yes.  Impossible?  No.

[Glyph]

I think a lot of people dont realize that GLB is a polearm. Yes, a polearm. That means that the polearm animation is being used on the GLB. Some of you may be ignorant bastards who havent payed attention to this, but the polearm animation removes about 20 length on a weapon. The weight and speed difference on these 2 are negligible, through I have heard that the 2 hand animation is faster than the polearm one, though I am not sure about this.

Great Long Bardiche
price 13,705
weapon length: 155  (135 effective)
weight: 3.8
difficulty: 18
speed rating: 87
weapon length: 155   (135 effective)
thrust damage: 18 pierce
swing damage: 46 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced
Bonus against Shield


Flamberge
price 18,777
weapon length: 152
weight: 4
difficulty: 18
speed rating: 86
weapon length: 152
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 46 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Can't sheath

So as we can see we have the differences: flamberge costs more, flamberge is 20 longer (a lot), GLB has bonus against shield, and the GLB is unbalanced which makes it impossible to duel with.

nub, flamberge also uses polearm animations

[Diavolo]

Wow, I didnt know that Berethorn. So its impossible to do a overhead stab with a flamberge?

[Glyph]

yeah, and don't talk about something when you don't know a thing about it

[RandomDude]

Wow, I didnt know that Berethorn. So its impossible to do a overhead stab with a flamberge?

Overhead stab?

Wtf is an overhead stab?

EDIT: O i get ya - the normal 2h stab animation. Yeah flamberge only has the polearm thrust.

Flamberge uses polearm animations so it swings/stabs the same way as a polearm. It just uses 2h wpf.

[Diavolo]

Nice to know for everyone too, since then flamberge isnt really that long, its only 132 length (or even less since I dont know if polearm animation cuts 20 length, I guess its a percentage) And the danish greatsword has 124 length, which then is not that much less. It should really say on the flamberge on the buy weapons screen that it uses polearm animation, since people can be fooled.

[zagibu]

Afaik, only the stab animation results in a shorter length for polearms, not the swings...at least to me it seems that the flamberge and poles like the glaive have MUCH longer swings than a greatsword.

[cmp]

The Flamberge right swing uses the 2h animation. That's why you see Flamberge users spamming it 90% of the time.

[zagibu]

I see...but what about regular polearm swings compared to greatswords? Do the 160cm vs 120cm really apply, or do you have to subtract some of those 160?

[Dezilagel]

I see...but what about regular polearm swings compared to greatswords? Do the 160cm vs 120cm really apply, or do you have to subtract some of those 160?

Someone made a tablet of this, can't find it tho :/

But yes, polearm animations cut length compared to the 2h.

[IG_Saint]

    1h
    Overhead = +0
    Left-to-right = +0
    Right-to-left = +19
    Thrust = +61

    2h
    Overhead = +15
    Left-to-right = +17
    Right-to-left = +13
    Thrust = +80

    2h Polearms
    Overhead = -15
    Left-to-right = -7
    Right-to-left = -2
    Thrust = +19

    1h Polearms
    Thrust = +50

Edit: 2h thrust might not be accurate anymore, what with the new animation. According to waltf4 it's pretty close though.

[Tzar]

    1h
    Overhead = +0
    Left-to-right = +0
    Right-to-left = +19
    Thrust = +61

    2h
    Overhead = +15
    Left-to-right = +17
    Right-to-left = +13
    Thrust = +80

    2h Polearms
    Overhead = -15
    Left-to-right = -7
    Right-to-left = -2
    Thrust = +19

    1h Polearms
    Thrust = +50

Sticky in begginer thread or something