Flamberge vs Great Long Bardiche

[Glyph]

That's exactly what we're reproaching you, asking a buff for a weapon which is already fine as it is.
Funny how some people can't stop but asking for minor buffs, saying that a little +1 speed won't unbalanced the game. If that's the case, why not adding a little -1 speed to the flamberge, since it won't unbalanced the game ?

Stop randomly asking for weapons buff without good backup. If i'm not mistaken, you're also responsible for the "sheathable flamberge" topic, wich also gets a big no from many. If you want a faster weapon, who is sheatable, then there's already plenty around. -_-

you think this is fine?

Yesterday, in DTV, a peasant survived a flamberge hit... 
Old times are really gone.

beacuse i don't

[La Makina]

A noob friend of mine started the game (pre-patch) and as soon as he could he picked up a flamberge (and a barmace, but that is another story) and he was suddenly ranking in the top of the scoreboard laughing at my advice on manual blocking and footwork   

Personally, I would be fine with the flamberge being more powerful (I rarely use it actually, so I don't really care) but I would see it even slower. It should be damn difficult to use to remain exceptional.

[zagibu]

This is not a problem of the flamberge, but a general spam-problem. It's currently too easy to reach a good rank in the scoreboard by applying mindless spam and NEVER clicking the right mousebutton. The flamberge is just a good tool for this "tactic", because it hits hard and is long.

[RandomDude]

Would any1 like to make a list of the other unbalanced weapons and compare them to similar weapons so we can see the bigger picture?

[Bulzur]

you think this is fine?beacuse i don't

LOL ! Trying to "balance" flamberge stating that you can't os a DTV DTV DTV DTV peasant with it. I thought you were speaking of balancing battle server dude ?

Sorry guy, but DTV bots are tough. Even though i saw people easily onehitting peasants with their flamberge. Maybe La Makina one's only has 4 PS or something.

And for the fun : http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,5975.0.html
Yes, flamberge is so under rated, that we see the same guy asking for :
-a flamberge build
-a flamberge buff
-a sheathable flamberge

humm... omg
What i see here, is definitely not a guy asking for balance, but a player asking for a buff for his own weapon for his own purpose !

@RandomDude, can do that, but what stats do you want to compare with the unbalanced weapon ? Handing in a list of all unbalanced weapons and top 5 most expensive melee weapons in each category will maybe do it.

[Glyph]

i started a topic about arbelast, Flamberge, goedendag, longbow and many more so not for my own purpose
and i ask for a lot of builds, arbelast, longbow, flamberge, 2hander, onehanded with shield, polearm build and a pure str archer and more and i only have one char where i play on...

[Phew]

I use GLB exclusively, and I have loomed it up to Powerful so far. It is a very situational weapon, moreso than the flamberge:

1v1 against pretty much anyone that can block, I lose.
1v1 against a shielder with any semblance of facehugging skills, I lose.

Standing on top of a ladder/ramp in siege defense, I've gotten 15+ kills in a round
Free-for-all situations (i.e. around a flag), I can go around 1-shotting enemies that are engaged with my allies

But the fact that it it's slow as dirt and can't feint means that I lose almost every 1v1 fight. The flamberge can actually be an OK dueling weapon, since you can feint.

Also, it's worth noting that the regular Long Bardiche is way more OP than the Great Long Bardiche. It isn't unbalanced, does only 1 less damage, and is 2 speed faster, while still having very good reach.

[Glyph]

but i think that if you can't manual block good, you shouldn't use weapons like that at all. i can manual block usually around 8-12 times in a 1vs1 fight before losing my focus and that's long enough to get killed or kill about 95% of the time. so my advice to new 2handed players is first go in dueling server for a few days and try to learn chamber-blocking and stuf and diside what weapon fits you best.

[Phew]

but i think that if you can't manual block good, you shouldn't use weapons like that at all. i can manual block usually around 8-12 times in a 1vs1 fight before losing my focus and that's long enough to get killed or kill about 95% of the time. so my advice to new 2handed players is first go in dueling server for a few days and try to learn chamber-blocking and stuf and diside what weapon fits you best.

No, if you can't manual block and don't want to bring a shield, your best option is a long weapon. If you bring a short weapon, you usually have to perform a successful block before you get to swing. At least with long weapons, you can open with an attack instead of a block. The downside to long SLOW weapons like the Flam and GLB is that if your first swing is blocked, you are basically dead meat because you don't have a chance to regain initiative for the rest of the fight.

[RandomDude]

(click to show/hide)

LOL ! Trying to "balance" flamberge stating that you can't os a DTV DTV DTV DTV peasant with it. I thought you were speaking of balancing battle server dude ?

Sorry guy, but DTV bots are tough. Even though i saw people easily onehitting peasants with their flamberge. Maybe La Makina one's only has 4 PS or something.

And for the fun : http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,5975.0.html
Yes, flamberge is so under rated, that we see the same guy asking for :
-a flamberge build
-a flamberge buff
-a sheathable flamberge

humm... omg
What i see here, is definitely not a guy asking for balance, but a player asking for a buff for his own weapon for his own purpose !

@RandomDude, can do that, but what stats do you want to compare with the unbalanced weapon ? Handing in a list of all unbalanced weapons and top 5 most expensive melee weapons in each category will maybe do it.

I meant for comparison with similar weapons - like the OP has compared flamberge with great long bardiche

[Glyph]

i'm to lazy...

[MountedRhader]

I have use GLB exclusively, and I have loomed it up to Powerful so far. It is a very situational weapon, moreso than the flamberge:

1v1 against pretty much anyone that can block, I lose.
1v1 against a shielder with any semblance of facehugging skills, I lose.

Standing on top of a ladder/ramp in siege defense, I've gotten 15+ kills in a round
Free-for-all situations (i.e. around a flag), I can go around 1-shotting enemies that are engaged with my allies

But the fact that it it's slow as dirt and can't feint means that I lose almost every 1v1 fight. The flamberge can actually be an OK dueling weapon, since you can feint.

Also, it's worth noting that the regular Long Bardiche is way more OP than the Great Long Bardiche. It isn't unbalanced, does only 1 less damage, and is 2 speed faster, while still having very good reach.

I agree 100%. If I can't block the first hit, I either get spammed, or stunned, or shot..
..
In other words I am vulnerable when I get blocked

[Phew]

People rag on me because I can't block for crap, but there really isn't a compelling reason to try to block with the GLB. If I try to open a fight with a block of my opponents swing, then it's a certain loss because the GLB is so slow that my opponent will hit me before my counter-attack can land. My only chance to to spaz out like a lunatic swinging my GLB from a distance hoping one of the swings lands. That puts my opponent on the defensive, which is how the long slow weapons are meant to be used.

Some people call this tactic "spamming", but there is honestly no other viable tactic for the GLB. If I tried to feint and riposte like some ninja duel master, I'd just get my ass kicked every time, because my weapon is too slow for those tactics.

The flamberge is a different beast altogether, since you can mix feints into your spam. The value of this cannot be over-stated. When I see my opponent is about to block my swing with my GLB, I might as well go to the equipment screen and set my loadout for when I respawn, because I know I'm dead.

[RandomDude]

People rag on me because I can't block for crap, but there really isn't a compelling reason to try to block with the GLB. If I try to open a fight with a block of my opponents swing, then it's a certain loss because the GLB is so slow that my opponent will hit me before my counter-attack can land. My only chance to to spaz out like a lunatic swinging my GLB from a distance hoping one of the swings lands. That puts my opponent on the defensive, which is how the long slow weapons are meant to be used.

Some people call this tactic "spamming", but there is honestly no other viable tactic for the GLB. If I tried to feint and riposte like some ninja duel master, I'd just get my ass kicked every time, because my weapon is too slow for those tactics.

The flamberge is a different beast altogether, since you can mix feints into your spam. The value of this cannot be over-stated. When I see my opponent is about to block my swing with my GLB, I might as well go to the equipment screen and set my loadout for when I respawn, because I know I'm dead.

Well as a long time flamberge user I can say that how you use your GLB sounds very much how I use the flam. Most players are so good now that even the "Akmar" doesnt work. It used to work 90% of the time and now it works 10% of the time.

Flamberge is slow and I dont care how many people say I can spam it fast, I can spam another sword faster.

So now I try to use range (backpedalling) where I used to use footwork more. I dont think i've outmanouvered a 1h since I started playing again and I used to do it all the time. It might be because Im not on my old comp but I think players are definately better over-all now.

Also i think 99% of my kills come from killing a guy fighting a team mate. Whether from behind, the side or my own lil flamberge technique that I dont want to type in case I see it used more.

[Phew]

Yeah RandomDude, I hear ya. The Flam and GLB are meant for killing people that are engaged with teammates. They both are awful for dueling, with the Flam being slightly better since you can feint and your thrust attack is less pathetic. Then again, the GLB breaks shields, so I guess it evens out.

Really, these are 'style' weapons first and foremost.