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What would you vote?

Independence
76 (52.8%)
UK
68 (47.2%)

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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #150 on: September 19, 2014, 01:18:41 pm »
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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #151 on: September 19, 2014, 01:27:54 pm »
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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #152 on: September 19, 2014, 02:32:56 pm »
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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #153 on: September 19, 2014, 02:47:16 pm »
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Can't say enough how ... APT this one is  8-)

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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #154 on: September 19, 2014, 03:03:20 pm »
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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #155 on: September 19, 2014, 03:04:08 pm »
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If it makes anyone feel better apparently the Queen is furious, and David Cameron is due a weekly meeting with her. For those who dont know, she fully has the power to make David Cameron step down if she is seriously pissed off at the way the UK government handled this fiasco. And for those who also dont know, the reason she was not vocal in the run-up to this vote is that it would be in breach of her position to try and influence the outcome of a political referendum like this by expressing her own view, even to save the Union. All we know is that she's not best pleased with the way things have gone in the last few months/weeks - if the union was saved it was Gordon Brown not David Cameron who did it.

oh noes a 90 y/o pissy woman, fook, David better watch out.

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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #156 on: September 19, 2014, 03:20:59 pm »
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No European constitutional monarchy would dare interfere openly in the democratic process and the parlamentarism on whose mercy it survives (certainly not on important issues), the revolutions too fresh in memory their role in legislature is mostly symbolic.

Anyway, from a realpolitik viewpoint a full Scottish independence from London is probably pretty far fetched considering the whole British nuclear arsenal is bound in nuclear subs that would then have no harbours.
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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #157 on: September 19, 2014, 03:33:32 pm »
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In fairness if Cameron had gotten more involved he would have been shot down for meddlin in a Scottish only decision. It would probably have made an even bigger mess of things. Leaving it to the Scottish mps to run the better together campaign and leave his speeches to a few ocassions was probably for the best.

Whilst the Queen does have the power to give the pm a grilling thats as far as it goes. She has reasonable political influence due to those meetings but her actual political power in terms of actions is non-existant. She cannot force a pm to resign. It is a simple formality that the Queen has to both accept a new pm but also accept their resignation.
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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #158 on: September 19, 2014, 03:52:53 pm »
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You sure do like your Queen.

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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #159 on: September 19, 2014, 04:21:52 pm »
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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #160 on: September 19, 2014, 05:34:53 pm »
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Why any self-respecting person would allow themselves to be "grilled" by someone who won the birth lottery and settled into a life of luxury and leisure is beyond me. If he was indeed "grilled" and Cameron had any sense he'd tell her to fuck off and remind her that without public money her lifetime of doing absolutely nothing would've been a lot more arduous.

But that's just me

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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #161 on: September 19, 2014, 05:39:07 pm »
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Salmond has stepped down.
"A man on the steppe with no friends is as narrow as a finger; a man with friends is as wide as the steppe"

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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #162 on: September 19, 2014, 05:44:46 pm »
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Why any self-respecting person would allow themselves to be "grilled" by someone who won the birth lottery and settled into a life of luxury and leisure is beyond me. If he was indeed "grilled" and Cameron had any sense he'd tell her to fuck off and remind her that without public money her lifetime of doing absolutely nothing would've been a lot more arduous.

But that's just me

The money is their money. But sure I'd love to see you or anyone else summon the courage to even make a tiny squeak of protest infront of her.

I'd rather have my life of freedom than her money and being able to do absolutely nothing I wanted to do. Saying she, or many of the royal family do nothing is pure stupidity.
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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #163 on: September 19, 2014, 05:58:39 pm »
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To be fair the royal family have significant private fortunes and are major land holders, and thus are listened to as much as any other concentration of wealth or power (despite not politicizing themselves), have tradition and conservatism behind them including influential, centuries-old connections and family ties across the globe.
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Re: Independent Scotland
« Reply #164 on: September 19, 2014, 06:06:23 pm »
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Why any self-respecting person would allow themselves to be "grilled" by someone who won the birth lottery and settled into a life of luxury and leisure is beyond me. If he was indeed "grilled" and Cameron had any sense he'd tell her to fuck off and remind her that without public money her lifetime of doing absolutely nothing would've been a lot more arduous.

But that's just me

Public money? You do sound like a commie a little bit :P

I do agree with you and strongly believe, that unlike what majority thinks we are in fact slowly going towards proper classless society, where people are valued by their work and nothing else. Would go as far to predict that nature of money and property will change. As soon we take full control of genes, certain groups of people will start to lobby against concepts of heredity and inherited wealth.

Royal families are already stagnating and losing money, there won't be long until they are just like average middle class family.