Increase the difficulty requirement on Medium/Heavy tier armours. POLL ADDED!

[Prpavi]

it's a balanced build leaning towards agi. not apure agi by any means.

I think we can all agree that everything over 7 skill can be called agi/str... 7 is borderline

[Panos_]

Everybody? It's not because you played 18/21 once you can say if agibuilds are OP or not.
If 18/21 is agiwhore, then 21/18 is str crutch?

 18.18 is a balanced build.

18/21 is an agi BASED build
and
21/18 is a str BASED build

god dammit this thread is just a pile of biased bs

What you really meant is this..

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PLEASE DONT NERF MY ABILITY TO SPAM WHILE I WEAR PLATE WAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Kafein]

18/18 and 21/21 are the only relatively common perfectly balanced builds. But 18/18 doesn't make any sense unless you are 1h/lancer cav, and 21/21 is only for "high levels".

Personally I'd say if you have at least 18 in STR and at least 18 in AGI, you have a balanced build.

Anyways discussing vocabulary isn't productive. I believe we have come to consider builds with such a small difference between STR and AGI as "agiwhores" or "strwhores" precisely because the real agiwhores and strwhores have disappeared out of not being good builds at all. Do you guys still commonly use 12/30 or 30/12 ? Because I fucking don't.

[Prpavi]

I played 18/24 it and I definitely considered it to be and agi build despite having 18 str

edit: typo

[Panos_]

Anyways discussing vocabulary isn't productive. I believe we have come to consider builds with such a small difference between STR and AGI as "agiwhores" or "strwhores" precisely because the real agiwhores and strwhores have disappeared out of not being good builds at all. Do you guys still commonly use 12/30 or 30/12 ? Because I fucking don't.

Most of the shielders out there are agi whores dude 

[Kafein]

I find 18/24 build to be an agi build, I played it and it definitely considered it to be and agi build despite 18 str

So for you, the only way to have a build which can be called balanced with a total of 42 attribute points is 21/21, and everything else is either called STR or AGI build ?

Most of the shielders out there are agi whores dude 

Who ? Good luck trying to do anything with 4 PS and a 1h sword. It's possible with picks and maces though.

[Panos_]

Who ? Good luck trying to do anything with 4 PS and a 1h sword. It's possible with picks and maces though.

Kansuke , Kinngrimm, Hetman, Harpag, Corsair, Atas.

 6 names that came to my mind without any heavy thinking.

[Prpavi]

So for you, the only way to have a build which can be called balanced with a total of 42 attribute points is 21/21, and everything else is either called STR or AGI build ?

You don't consider 18/24 to be an agi build?

[Gravoth_iii]

Kansuke , Kinngrimm, Hetman, Harpag, Corsair, Atas.

 6 names that came to my mind without any heavy thinking.

Last time i checked hetman was 21/24, corsair is 15str. Kinngrim is probably the only one there with 4PS

[Panos_]

all of them either agi based, or agiwhores , I fail to see your point gravoth

[Kafein]

I seriously doubt Atas has more agi than str. Same for Kansuke. Same for almost all shielders using stabless cut weapons actually, and most of the straight sword users too.

You don't consider 18/24 to be an agi build?

Not really. The difference when you spectate people with 21/21 and 18/24 is quite subtle.

[Prpavi]

Not really. The difference when you spectate people with 21/21 and 18/24 is quite subtle.

well then we have a different perspective on the builds.

[Gravoth_iii]

all of them either agi based, or agiwhores , I fail to see your point gravoth

So they arent using 4PS agiwhore builds because its a shitty build. 15 str works but hits like a butterknife unless you have a good stab. 30/12 would probably be viable though.

What you really meant is this..

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PLEASE DONT NERF MY ABILITY TO SPAM WHILE I WEAR PLATE WAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Agi plate isnt really that good for spamming, maybe tanking an extra hit in a teamfight but with all the wpf lost from wearing heavy armour combined with not having any damage from low PS you'll just glance. Balanced/Str based builds have always been better for spamming since its more forgiving with the higher amount of hp and less glancing from high PS.

[Rhaelys]

Personally I'd say if you have at least 18 in STR and at least 18 in AGI, you have a balanced build.

So 18/27 is a balanced build, right?

[Soldier_of_God]

All body armors over 40 defense need a bump in difficulty by about 2-4 points per category.basically starting at light kuyak would be 13 requirement, while milanese plate would be strength 20 or so, so that only someone going for a balanced or strength heavy build would wear what only strength based people should wear. im tired of 15/21 ballerinas twirling around with longswords and long hafted blades, outrunning me in my heraldic mail.

the specific numbers should be of course worked out according to the game's playability and balance by the balance team, but i feel that agility builds should be more limited in what armor they can wear, particularly concerning plate mail.