Suggestion: Mandatory Posting of Your KD and Build Before Any Balance Post

[Smoothrich]

This board is a smorgasbord of terrible posting by terrible players. One of the most prominent is Kafein, whenever I read any of his balance posts one word just starts ringing out in my mind over and over, louder each time. "Scrub."

I would like to suggest a new rule to bring some common sense and perhaps even humility to the posting that goes on here, and filter out some of the white noise.

Here I'll start the trend.

"2hand is currently being outperformed by every other melee class, and melee cav has never been weaker. Nerf ranged across the board, and give a must deserved nerf to hoplites, ranged, 2d polearms, 4d polearms, pierce 1handers, stabbing 1handers, blunt 1handers, and mounted range. Battle is impossible to perform well on nowadays without being one of those classes."

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[Tydeus]

Can I have some gold?

[Taser]

Can I have some gold?

He only has 750k.. you broke tydeus?

[Kafein]

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[En_Dotter]

ooooooooooook... What about ppl who are playing siege most of the time? They dont get k:d? What about ppl who are there to do the support like pikes and shields with low ps and ranged with light bows/xbows and throwers?
As usually ppl try to include K:D ratios into some "quality" calculations... Makes no sense... I assisted so many kills that i take greater pride in those actions than actually landing a killing blow (shot)...

[Grumbs]

Wasn't posting your KD in that other thread enough? I know this is just a joke thread and is destined for spam, but w/e

I think part of the problem is that we have quite a split community. Some people want to balance around siege, some battle, some Strat, some even duel. Totally different game modes, different objectives, different lethality for classes etc. Then we have EU and NA. Different spread of classes, different ability of players etc

Reason I say that is KD is only an indication of ability. It depends on what game mode you play, which class you are, which server, how consistent you are, how serious you play all the time etc. Getting 4:1 KD is different on horseback than with an archer for eg, eventhough the ranged player might be just as useful as the cav. It depends on the class counters too. I know cav can get great KD's but I feel that often it is fair KD so its not like you can use KD just to suggest something is OP either.

Last hits are not all that matter in the game, its overall usefulness for your team (archer might be hitting stuff all round but not necessarily getting last hits, and he can be bad at the game and do it) and it depends whether its deserved KD or not depending on many other factors. KD says nothing about how fair and unbiased your viewpoints will be too. You really need to see someone play to decide if they are bad or not, although very low KD would be an indication of that it can't really be used by itself

[Tydeus]

He only has 750k.. you broke tydeus?

Actually, yes. Item balancers don't get any special treatment, we have to buy items like everyone else if we want to do tests. Every patch where there are item changes/new items added my funds drop significantly and unfortunately, I've been testing mostly expensive playstyles for the past few months as well. Oh well.

ooooooooooook... What about ppl who are playing siege most of the time? They dont get k:d? What about ppl who are there to do the support like pikes and shields with low ps and ranged with light bows/xbows and throwers?
As usually ppl try to include K:D ratios into some "quality" calculations... Makes no sense... I assisted so many kills that i take greater pride in those actions than actually landing a killing blow (shot)...

En Dotter, I would assume he'd take a screenshot of your K:D at the end of a map.

Grumbs, I'm not sure this is the right thread to be using logic and reason. I suggest posting random pictures/gifs.
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[owens]

Fuck you man you fucking pussy


Only 400 kills!
Played on DTV until lvl 30 of course you are going to have a good kd bundle of sticks

[Torben]

"2hand is currently being outperformed by every other melee class

where is panos when you need him

[Angantyr]

Does this include respeccing at high level to reset k/d for maximum e-peen?

[Joker86]

Here I'll start the trend.

"2hand is currently being outperformed by every other melee class, and melee cav has never been weaker. Nerf ranged across the board, and give a must deserved nerf to hoplites, ranged, 2d polearms, 4d polearms, pierce 1handers, stabbing 1handers, blunt 1handers, and mounted range. Battle is impossible to perform well on nowadays without being one of those classes."

You know, Smooth...

...the biggest retard can have good reflexes and muscle memory. Doesn't mean he understands any single problem.
...the biggest asshole can find out a lame trick and abuse the shit out of it. Doesn't mean he knows anything about balancing or is unbiased.
...the smartest guy can completely freak out when someone approaches in melee, never mind how long he play. Doesn't mean he has no clue of balancing.

And you know what?

Perhaps it is good to know how to fight when trying to balance items. Perhaps it's bad. I don't know. But you should know how game design works when making suggestions and blaming the balance for problems which stem from completely different things 

[Kafein]

...the biggest asshole can find out a lame trick and abuse the shit out of it. Doesn't mean he knows anything about balancing or is unbiased.

Smoothrich will now call you a scrub for not accepting the glory of abusing the shit out of everything abusable.

[Taser]

Actually, yes. Item balancers don't get any special treatment, we have to buy items like everyone else if we want to do tests. Every patch where there are item changes/new items added my funds drop significantly and unfortunately, I've been testing mostly expensive playstyles for the past few months as well. Oh well.

I didn't know mang.

I thought admins just took items from the sky as they fell from heaven. Now I know differently.

[Snufalufagus]

Well, we can just re-balance the game to death. I mean how many people are left? Lets just throw everything on its head every month. Screw every level 34 basing his decisions on existing mechanics. Don't make no sense.

[Kafein]

Well, we can just re-balance the game to death. I mean how many people are left? Lets just throw everything on its head every month. Screw every level 34 basing his decisions on existing mechanics. Don't make no sense.

Screw every level 34. Period. I'm level 33