Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Christo]

Ever heard of Occam's razor?

can I shave with it?

[Xant]

it probably wasn't putler, because no polonium was involved. probably some of his deranged tovi like supporters did that.

Why would he use polonium?

"It wasn't subtle enough, it wasn't poison like before!" You guys do realize that just by you saying that... it removes the entire point. It would not be subtle anymore to poison someone. No, it'd be even MORE discriminating. There is no point. Now, Putin can just straight out assassinate people on the streets and 1) people will say "Not Putin, he used poison before, it's not subtle!" and 2) not even care what "the people" think even if they do figure it was him behind it. They aren't and don't need any more subtlety in Ukraine either, just have to keep denying it publicly and everyone just wrings their hands.

A secret that is known to everyone isn't a secret...

[Christo]

Mr. Surkov is sipping his drinks very proudly right now I bet.

[Xant]

More recently, Nemtsov had been working on a report that he said would prove that Russian soldiers were fighting alongside pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine, where a bloody 11-month-conflict has claimed nearly 5,800 lives. The Kremlin has hotly denied any direct involvement, which Russian opinion polls suggest would be deeply unpopular.

[Vovka]

Ever heard of Occam's razor?

its something about logic reasons and i already write why his murder by the government is not logical
   

[Christo]

and what is logical in russia?

[Xant]

its something about logic reasons and i already write why his murder by the government is not logical

The Russian government has found it logical to murder journalists and political opposition before. Your reasons are not good, therefore. Especially when he was writing a report about Russian soldiers in Ukraine, that could be reason enough for the government to kill him.

[Vovka]

The Russian government has found it logical to murder journalists and political opposition before. Your reasons are not good, therefore. Especially when he was writing a report about Russian soldiers in Ukraine, that could be reason enough for the government to kill him.

  omg he is just shittalker he not general and not even the Secretary in the administration of the Kremlin. He can not say more than what you can find in Google. now he will be called the "father of democracy" "Russian Snowden" " the last hope of Russian freedom", and such shiteaters like u willl happily swallow it.

[Leshma]

Putin doesn't have to hide anything. Opposition are traitors, paid by CIA to ruin Russia. That is how your average Rus looks at things these days. Death of oppositional leader is same as killing a stray dog.

Then why is Putin hiding involvement in Ukraine? Because he cares what western leaders will say? He gives no shit about their opinion. He don't want Ukrainians to be sure of Russian involvement because he plans to restore power in Ukraine and having majority who hate you make ruling over them harder.

[Tibe]

Then why is Putin hiding involvement in Ukraine? Because he cares what western leaders will say? He gives no shit about their opinion. He don't want Ukrainians to be sure of Russian involvement because he plans to restore power in Ukraine and having majority who hate you make ruling over them harder.

lol. If anyone its Ukrainians who are fully sure of Russian involvement. Putin cant restore power in Ukr and he knows it, thats why he basically invaded it. Ukr hates Russia to the bone and the pro-Russians all fled to Eastern-Ukr. You got it backwards, at this point its fairly obvious Putin doesnt care what anyone in Ukr thinks. At this current point, nobody in the world hates russians more than ukrainians.

He doesnt care what the western leaders say either. Thats true. But he does care what the world in general thinks. When you keep the benefit of the doubt in a crysis like this, its a possibility to still get allies or pats on the back here and there. Like Greece for example. If he straight up admitted that they are steamrolling over Ukraine, even a lot of his own people would have had second thoughts and  some other countries politician showing support than would have been a political suicide.

[Swaggart]

Putin killing Nemtsov would be a complete blunder and completely out of his MO so far regarding Ukraine. He benefits very little from this as he still has widespread support and actions like this threaten it. Killed by Russian nationalists? Most likely. On Putin's orders? It would be a very foolish move so I doubt it.

[Thomek]

Who really did it is completely irrelevant in Russia, and something we will probably be never know.

The important thing is who do we SAY did it. How do smear this in a way that benefits us?

I'm 60% sure Putin ordered it some way or another. He's the one who benefits in the end, and his media will spin it in his favor. I'm also not sure many would dear to kill off politicians without his permission.

Don't think he cares about international rep anymore, just power politics and national standing. Ofc the conspiracy loving russians will love the most insane conspiracies, while ignoring the conspiracy that is most obvious. Anyway.. pure speculation.

[Leshma]

lol. If anyone its Ukrainians who are fully sure of Russian involvement. Putin cant restore power in Ukr and he knows it, thats why he basically invaded it.

Only minority, which will be taken care of when Putin puts his next pawn in Kiev.

[Beauchamp]

that idiot still cares for international reputation, because sanctions work. and he is afraid of other sanctions that may come, because they for sure can hurt russians a lot. otherwise he'd not be lying about everything ukraine related.

[Xant]

that idiot still cares for international reputation, because sanctions work. and he is afraid of other sanctions that may come, because they for sure can hurt russians a lot. otherwise he'd not be lying about everything ukraine related.

... No, that is not why he lies. He lies because it's good politics. He gains literally nothing from admitting it while lying about it lessens actions taken against Russia in retaliation, even casting a lot of doubt whether Russia is actually involved at all. And it makes it a lot harder for his political opponents to use it against him, when he can simply say "that's not true."