Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Leshma]

that idiot still cares for international reputation, because sanctions work. and he is afraid of other sanctions that may come, because they for sure can hurt russians a lot. otherwise he'd not be lying about everything ukraine related.

Sanction work both ways. Every day of sanctions towards Russia is hurting Europe too. Doubt there will be more or EU will be in deep problems, much deeper than now. And printing billions of euros out of thin air won't help.

[Turkhammer]

Russian politics, The Thug Life.  You must be so proud.

[Turkhammer]

Yeah, if Putin's government was behind it I'd expect a modicum of subtlety. More along the lines of polonium or unfortunate accident (plane crash, etc) than a public murder.
Concerning that article, the whole point of NATO was to contain the imperial ambitions of Russia in Europe. If the US thinks Russia is more important than a European country then the alliance is pointless. But we already knew NATO was centered entirely around american interests. The crocodile tears about the brave sacrifice and burden of protecting Europe has always been a load of propaganda bullshit. I agree it's not the US's problem, it's the EU's. As long as NATO exists the EU will never realize it's own potential.

Oh and the rest of Western Europe that Stalin didn't swallow had no interest in supporting NATO hmmm?  What ever the reason that NATO was sustained it allowed Euro countries to spend most of their GDP building their little socialist, cradle to grave, nanny state utopias without having to spend much on defense or without having been taken over by the USSR.  So I know it hurts your pride but Europe could not have or would not have taken care of itself without the sacrifice and the burden undertaken by the US.  Of course NATO was and is in America's interest.  Why would she support NATO if it was not?

[Leshma]

America is a she?

[Vovka]

America is a she?

nwm

[Lt_Anders]

America is a she?

When referencing an entity that isn't animate, people generally refer to it in the option of the fairer sex.

[Tibe]

Uncle Sam

Only minority, which will be taken care of when Putin puts his next pawn in Kiev.

Minority that kicked his last pawn out a year ago. They wont have power in Kiev, seems too far fetched at this point.

[Molly]

Sanction work both ways. Every day of sanctions towards Russia is hurting Europe too. Doubt there will be more or EU will be in deep problems, much deeper than now. And printing billions of euros out of thin air won't help.

It hurts the EU way less than it hurts Russia. Now that's a simple fact.
I've already read from half a dozen economic dudes that the news outlets blow the backfire of those sanctions on Europe way out of proportion.
Sure, some businesses are hurt but those which still hurt right now, didn't pay attention to what was going on and they're at fault.

[Tibe]

Indeed. I think it hurts like Finland or something the most. Dunno about the rest of the EU, but the Baltics didnt really lose a lot. Our buisnessmen who invested in Russia, all went backruped in the early 2000s, due to Russia always sanctioning our companies, whenever our politicans did something, that could even remotely be considered as provocation. So we kinda stopped looking in the East for profit long ago.
 
Russia however, has shitton of corporations in the West. Soo.....technically, we have a relatively poor country that didnt really have a lot of foreign investors to begin with, who is trying to countersanction one of the wealthiest parts of the World, who has a lot of this countries investments. You dont really dont need an economics masters degree here to figure out who is going to be suffering more.

[Kuujis]

Indeed. I think it hurts like Finland or something the most. Dunno about the rest of the EU, but the Baltics didnt really lose a lot. Our buisnessmen who invested in Russia, all went backruped in the early 2000s, due to Russia always sanctioning our companies, whenever our politicans did something, that could even remotely be considered as provocation. So we kinda stopped looking in the East for profit long ago.
 
Russia however, has shitton of corporations in the West. Soo.....technically, we have a relatively poor country that didnt really have a lot of foreign investors to begin with, who is trying to countersanction one of the wealthiest parts of the World, who has a lot of this countries investments. You dont really dont need an economics masters degree here to figure out who is going to be suffering more.

I would just second that with some ideas from some more-or-less prominent Economists in Lt and our president. So economists say "russia was a great opportunity for profit, at a great risk. There is no reason why remainder of your country should bow OR pay for YOUR risks when they fail you, but leave your profit to you, when you win big". Our president said "I'm not selling our principals and integrity for your profit". And since its her last term - she didn't give a fuck about reelections and in this case - was more than right.

[Beauchamp]

Sanction work both ways. Every day of sanctions towards Russia is hurting Europe too. Doubt there will be more or EU will be in deep problems, much deeper than now. And printing billions of euros out of thin air won't help.

russia has 145 mil people (1/3 of them are more or less permanently drunk), all they produce and sell to europe are wooden hockey sticks and gas, while eu exports some food and technologies. its no big market for eu, how much in total (2-3% maybe at most? probably even less). for some countries maybe more, but overall big majority of countries (except for the gas) really doesn't have to give a single fuck. i'd say fence the border, send most of russians home, buy more expensive gas from usa or arab countries and it will all get way cheaper in the end.

that "huge" market full of moneyz for europe in russia is one big stupid illusion that some morons try to feed us with.

[Xant]

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[Xant]

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[Vovka]

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too many words for guy who bleeds from each produced sound

[Xant]

too many words for guy who bleeds from each produced sound

What a great retort as always.