What's your country ? Lithuania ? That's why I've said "most ex-USSR countries", not all. Because of Chechenya too. But, do you approve what Russia did at this time ? So why do you approve what Ukraine do now ?
Worst, you try to justify war and civilian killings. Your hate of Russia just makes you blind.
Kiev just don't want any referendum for independance. Peacefully or not. They don't even want to discuss of it.
The right of nations to self-determination doesn't apply when it's not in our interest. What is possible recently in South Sudan is impossible in Ukraine ? How can you force people to live together with the gun on their head?
Note : 2 SU25 have been shot down by rebels near Donetsk yesterday. At least they can't deny they still have AA weapons.
What you do Tovi is called "muddling the water", you compare apples and oranges because they are both fruits. You fail or you are too ignorant to agree, that starting ARMED FIGHT against a country your region belonged to, WITHOUT resorting to political means first, is a failed scenario. There is no justification for random proclamation of random republics with random names, which exist till the end of the barrel of your gun. This Tovi is called - BULLSHIT.
In Lt independence was reclaimed, it was already there before WW2 and it was illegally taken by CCCP. AND - they key point is, that ALL actions by Lithuanians were NOT armed capturing of random buildings, vice versa was the case. It would be comparable IF the "novorussia" (or whatever the new random name is chosen) was created peacefully and THEN Ukraine would come, crush the "new countries" by occupying buildings, etc. Now - there is a fucking bunch of armed god-knows-who fighting for god-knows-what.
Another thing, that you "interested in geopolitics" head fails to take into account time and time again is that you CAN'T look at this in isolated fasion: there is a bunch of putlers lackeys accross the border supplying, encouraging and training the fucking wannabe-separatists (although IMO - terrorists is a great name in this case) + whole putler controlled army of wannabe journalists who are spouting propaganda, lie and straight make up stories left and right. In this light - there is NO legitimacy to the actions of the separatists, because they are actions by russia first and foremost, and not a genuine movement for independence (which is another word for "joining russia ASAP" in russian language I guess).
Dont make me laugh about knowing or not knowing what Kiev wants. You fail to identify their "wants" time and time again. IF there was even an ATTEMPT at honest discussion of referendum - I would support you, but there was NOT. There was a daily changing demands, questionable RUSSIAN (FFS) wannabe leaders and bullshit from accross the border on an epic scale - these things were present.
Self determination of WHAT NATION? The one, which wants to join Russia as soon as possible? I would qualify that as NOT a nation, but a fucking turncoat separatist minority, who (according to numerous pools) don't even have a support of significant majority in the said regions. So WHAT NATION Tovi? WHAT kind of "self determination" are you shitting about?
Ask putler how to keep people living under the guns. He has this good-guy ramzan, who is an expert, although - he himself is quite "in-the-know" I would say.
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