2h Bastard Sword Type Weapons

[Mr.K.]

Remove the ability to use Longsword with a shield, remove the polearm mode from HBS and BS, further distinguishing bastard swords from the longsword. Also a slight speed or damage nerf wouldn't hurt any of these weapons imo (I use a HBS on my 2H).

[Falka]

Remove the ability to use Longsword with a shield, remove the polearm mode from HBS and BS, further distinguishing bastard swords from the longsword.

Yup, one of these 2 could be 1h/2h with new stats as 1h, the other one 2h with secondary mode as polearm. Currently the main difference between them is how they look like.

[Jona]

Remove the ability to use Longsword with a shield, remove the polearm mode from HBS and BS, further distinguishing bastard swords from the longsword. Also a slight speed or damage nerf wouldn't hurt any of these weapons imo (I use a HBS on my 2H).

The longsword IS a type of bastard sword... it is just what it was called in Britain. You could call the longsword a bastard sword and you wouldn't be incorrect. "Bastard sword" is a class of weapons, not just one or two. Removing this ability from it would make as much sense as removing it from the two bastard swords.

I suppose some confusion may come from the fact that there is simply an item in the shop called "bastard sword" but don't forget there is also an item simply called "sword."  :/

[Penitent]

The longsword IS a type of bastard sword... it is just what it was called in Britain. You could call the longsword a bastard sword and you wouldn't be incorrect. "Bastard sword" is a class of weapons, not just one or two. Removing this ability from it would make as much sense as removing it from the two bastard swords.

I suppose some confusion may come from the fact that there is simply an item in the shop called "bastard sword" but don't forget there is also an item simply called "sword."  :/

Actually, longswords in history were swords intended to be used with two hands exclusively.  Some were light enough for one handed use though.  Bastard swords generally had the dimensions of a 1h sword, but had a lengthened grip to allow the use of a second hand, even if it could only grip the pommel.  This is why they were "bastards" -- belonging neither to 1h or 2h sword classifications.  Longswords were longer than bastard swords.

The terms are kind of fuzzy though, as different time periods called different swords by different names.

These are longswords, used in half-sword grip:

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[Necrorave]

I do feel they are fairly balanced, although, I always had a problem with the damage.

I just feel they all need a -1 in cut damage.  The only reason I feel this way is because of the comparison between the Longsword and Greatsword.

I feel they should not be the same in damage.

For the most part though I do not have much of an issue.

[Jona]

Actually, longswords in history were swords intended to be used with two hands exclusively.  Some were light enough for one handed use though.  Bastard swords generally had the dimensions of a 1h sword, but had a lengthened grip to allow the use of a second hand, even if it could only grip the pommel.  This is why they were "bastards" -- belonging neither to 1h or 2h sword classifications.  Longswords were longer than bastard swords.

The terms are kind of fuzzy though, as different time periods called different swords by different names.

These are longswords, used in half-sword grip:

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Can't trust anything you learn these days without cross referencing several times. It would appear as though you are right, shame on me for actually trusting a documentary.

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Seriously though, you would think that they could get at least something like the name of a sword correct when the documentary was about the arms and armor of the english (or something like that). They mentioned that longswords were onehanded swords with an extended grip (and already relatively long blade length) which then became known as the bastard-class of swords, since as you stated, are neither 2hander nor 1hander exclusively. Anyways, my take on that was that longsowrds = english name for their first bastard swords.

[Elindor]

Penitent is right.  Longsword was a class of swords longer than 1h, but not greatswords.  It was the bastard swords that were basically long 1h swords with an extended grip that gave the option of 1h and 2h use.

Technically the Longsword should not have the option of being use 1h at all in cRPG...and it should be around 108-110 length 97 or 98 speed.  Basically a different (slightly less damaging, slightly faster) version of the Two Handed sword.

[Penitent]

It's tricky -- I know that during renaissance times any sword that wasn't a rapier was basically called a longsword or broadsword.  That kind of carried over into the 1800's, but nowadays we have a slightly different broadsword-arming sword/bastard sword/long sword/great sword categories.  It's all semantics in the end, and likely to change again in the future.

We'd better hush now though, lest they move this to the realism dungeon discussion thread and we are trapped there for eternity.

[Ronin]

Do whatever you want to the 1h/2h mode, just leave the polearm mode alone. Your superior numbers for caring about the 2h do not mean anything. This weapon is not only about the 2h mode!

[MURDERTRON]

Make it so we can turn the sword around and swing it by the blade, do we can do real hilt slashes.  Then change it to blunt damage, with knockdown and use polearm wpf.

[Penitent]

Make it so we can turn the sword around and swing it by the blade, do we can do real hilt slashes.  Then change it to blunt damage, with knockdown and use polearm wpf.

That would be awesome.  Perhaps it should be the overhead attack for polearm mode.  You are already holding it half-sword style, but raise the hilt over your head and slam it down, sledge hammer style.

[Scervo]

I think they're fine how they are. I'm a 2h and I don't really use them, but I have no problem fighting against people who do. Really dont see them as being OP, i think people just aren't good at fighting against fast weapons when theyre being used by good players who know how to castor swing etc

It's better than polearm nudge and as good as the 1h nudge when you gank someone. When I play 2h I use the nudge a lot to open up an enemy's defense for my teammate.

If youre ganking someone, wouldnt it make more sense to just attack them rather than nudge them? That way youre doing damage AND opening up their defenses. Unless they're a shielder and you cant get behind them.

I do think 2h nudge is useless but i think it should stay that way

[Tydeus]

I do think 2h nudge is useless but i think it should stay that way

Nudge disable lasts a lot longer and cannot be blocked, only physically avoided.

[MURDERTRON]

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[Rebelyell]

Make it so we can turn the sword around and swing it by the blade, do we can do real hilt slashes.  Then change it to blunt damage, with knockdown and use polearm wpf.

I do not understan why you call something halfswording and then you still ask it tp be polearm mode

just make no fuking sens for me