2h Bastard Sword Type Weapons

[CrazyCracka420]

Elite Scimitar ghostswing outreaches all 3, so no nurf/change/nothing.

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No it doesn't. 

[Ronin]

They are fairly useful. I pick up whenever I come across to one on the battlefield. They are a force to be reckoned with when used in polearm mode with a shield. They certainly fulfill a role.

[Grumbs]

For such a spammy weapon the stab is a bit too long and good. Maybe buff the stab with similarly priced polearms

[Jarlek]

For such a spammy weapon the stab is a bit too long and good. Maybe buff the stab with similarly priced polearms

Oh yeah, I forgot the price.

All of them are WAY too good for their price. Compared to similarly priced 1h/poles it's just silly.

Apart from the Long Axe or Long Bardiche, there really isn't any poles with the overall quality as the longsword/bastard sword for the same price. Same goes for ALL the sub-7k non-axe 2hs.

The price really need to be adjusted for a lot of sub-7k 2hs. Especially the swords.

Compare the Longsword to the Long Arming Sword for example. The longsword is faster, longer, more cut and only 1 less pierce (or 6 MORE pierce if you count the secondary mode)

"But Jarlek" Says the 2h QQ hero. "The LAS can be used with a shield. That makes them totally balanced compared to the longsword!"

To this I have to say:
1. Shields cost money so saying "but it can be used with a shield" doesn't change the fact that the price for the two items compared to each other retarded. Sure, a 2h can be faster, longer and more damaging because the 1h can be used with a shield (for some reason). But when the 2h is also cheaper without the shield being bought at all, something is fucked up.
2. The Longsword can also be used with a shield. You're talking about using it with a shield without any penalty.
3. You're an idiot.

[Thumper]

Re texture the HBS so it is easier to see (Like longsword) that would be the only thing I would want

[Elindor]

@ Jarlek - I'm a LS user and I have no problem with raising the prices...I agree...they are dirt cheap.

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Isn't it nice when someone's isn't a biased raging fucktard? Ahem, "2h haters"...ahem.

[San]

Seriously, how can anyone call the miaodao OP? It's hardly one of the best 2hs...

I just think for 97 speed at +3 its damage shouldn't be so high. 40 cut, maybe even 41, or a speed reduction.

Found old miaodao stats and like these more:

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Miaodao: 8,030 gold
weight 2.75
requirement 10
speed rating 96
weapon length 115
swing damage 40, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce
Can't use on horseback

The bastard sword weapons' prices were okay before they got buffed. (included old katana for comparison)

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Katana
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 101
shield width: 95
thrust damage: 16 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
weapon length: 95

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Longsword
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 98
shield width: 106
thrust damage: 22 pierce
swing damage: 36 cut
weapon length: 106

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Heavy Bastard Sword.
weapon length: 105
weight: 2
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 98
weapon length: 105
thrust damage: 22 pierce
swing damage: 36 cut
slots: 2

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Bastard Sword
Price 3086
weight 1.8
requirement 9
speed rating 99
weapon length 101
swing damage 35 cut
thrust damage 23 pierce

They were increased in tiers of power from the damage and speed increases, but prices were left the same. (And katana's still expensive)

[Jarlek]

@ Jarlek - I'm a LS user and I have no problem with raising the prices...I agree...they are dirt cheap.

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Isn't it nice when someone's isn't a biased raging fucktard? Ahem, "2h haters"...ahem.

I'm a LS user myself, but that was way before the buff and because it could be used on horseback.

It's nice to see that not everyone is biased, but you gotta agree there's a lot of them.

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Unless that "2h haters" comment was aimed at me, in which case get you dun goofed. I play all classes and am currently 2h because it's easy as dicks. At least I admit my class requires almost no skill.

[Penitent]

Should be able to use with shield with less of a speed/damage penalty.
Using a bastard sword with shield should be about the same as using a long arming sword with shield -- in terms of speed/damage. 

Other than that, I think they are fine.  Great weapons, but still take skill to really kick ass with them.

[Tydeus]

Could increase effectiveness with a shield, but reduce effectiveness slightly without. To get an idea of what I mean, think 32 base damage but 94 speed with a shield, and -1/2 speed from the 2h mode. Utility wise, that's a lot better, as a 2h weapon, some might even call that balanced. Oh, and increase cost of course.

[owens]

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Longsword is the strongest 2H.


Its speed and damage together combines with excellent reach make it untouchable.

Something needs to be done with all bastard type weapons. Having two systems the automatic and the X is no good.

[San]

I like that a lot, Tydeus.
94 speed and 32 base damage would be longsword, right? So HBS/BS/Katana would get 95-96 speed? I think that's good, too. Would give more variety of really long and somewhat slow 1hs other than the arabian cav sword.

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and goedendag

[Penitent]

Could increase effectiveness with a shield, but reduce effectiveness slightly without. To get an idea of what I mean, think 32 base damage but 94 speed with a shield, and -1/2 speed from the 2h mode. Utility wise, that's a lot better, as a 2h weapon, some might even call that balanced. Oh, and increase cost of course.

I don't think reducing the 2h effectiveness is so good though, as most people consider it balanced.

Just right now there is absolutely no point in using it with a shield unless you have a death wish.

I would suggest giving it 94 speed, 29 damage with shield (kind of shitty for a 1h, but usable), and leave the 2h mode as is.  Just my point of view!

[Moncho]

I like those thoughts, a couple of questions though:
How would the 1h/2h mode work? Same as now, or like with the langes messer (pressing x). In the second case, would it even work as you would have a weapon that would have 3 modes (1h, 2h, pole)?
Would the Morningstar also get reduced penalties with a shield? (since it is 1h/2h like the bastards)

[Tydeus]

Can't set the damage exactly since it's done through penalties, but the penalties themselves can be changed as they've already been changed before, just takes convincing cmp.

I like those thoughts, a couple of questions though:
How would the 1h/2h mode work? Same as now, or like with the langes messer (pressing x). In the second case, would it even work as you would have a weapon that would have 3 modes (1h, 2h, pole)?
Would the Morningstar also get reduced penalties with a shield? (since it is 1h/2h like the bastards)

Yes, the morningstar would also get a reduced penalty. Alternatively the pole could get mode removed, in which case they could be turned into 1h where you activate the 2h with x, but this could come with some side effects of its own, not sure exactly.