WPP Sum and Cost Formula Rework(Includes WM)

[Rebelyell]

Yes.

Seriously you should mention that before.

In my opinion it is bit overkill for some players and that change favor agi staking.
Maybe you can make STR reduce armour weight penalties for walking speed and PS for WPF.There should be reason to go for stronger characters.
A bit ofc.

[elvandin]

This will definitely make plumbo and players like him (strength crutch but with all wpf poured into one thing so that they are fairly fast still) not so op. I am worried about what this will do to my characters though, as almost all of them are hybrids. For instance my 2h/thrower is 21/15 5 weapon master 2h 120 throwing 104. I just barely have enough throwing wpf to use and pick up my throwing lances wearing light armor (just above 10 pounds).

[Phew]

Maybe I missed it, but what happens to your existing WPP expenditures? Say you have 120 1h and 100 throwing, but you end up losing wpp; which proficiency loses those points?

If this is handled incorrectly, I could see throwers getting screwed with "your proficiency is too low" message with no recourse.

EDIT-I say no reimbursement of str, but offer my proposed "mini-respecs" in the store ;-) Make those people that have been crutching strength for 2 years with 0 WM at least have to pay some gold to get agi/wm.

[elvandin]

that is exactly what i am worried about. as i understand it, we will have less overall wpf points as a result of only having 5 wm, thus bringing me below the threshold i need for throwing lances.

[Gurnisson]

Yes.

Why though? Increased accuracy for ranged would be a nice change. However the increased damage from more wpf should get reduced to how it was. Just my honest opinion, and I rarely play ranged characters.

[Falka]

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1/3 of whatever is invested "into" whatever is invested, should be given back.
No matter if str/agi/skill points.

That flattens the pain for those who have specialised builds, which may not work now anymore. They can consider making different specialisations then, while the underlaying tendencies are kept.

Also: why not a full respec? It is clear that this is a major game change. From earlier changes and statements it was always clear, that at such a point a full respec would be viable.

Now also with my lvl 36 in mind, the higher in the level you get, the more time you have put into this grind festival, the more it hurts when changes are done and you couldnt simply adjust. Last tiem i saw an auction for Trainings Lessons, it was for 3 million gold wtf i roughly have 400k without any thing being bought in motnhs(counting also back into the time i had been playing for longer then a month now). So either get us a fixed low price on trainings lessons to respec, or give us a full respec, but the bare minimum as i see it, 1/3 of everything we had spent skill or attr points no matter if agi or str.

WHy not full respec? Cause chadz said no, that's why. Also, I don't see any connection between nerf for STR and someone's desire to change whole build, especially by decreasing AGI... I smell biased opinion here  Btw:

Auction   09/11/2013 18:13:09   Training Lessons   1,100,001 gold

1 mln gold for Training lessons is nothing, it's 1 MW item.

[Osiris]

im struggling to see how this makes agi chars suddenly overpowerd? From what i can tell if you have all your wpf in one section you will only gain a few points extra its not going to suddenly make agi based chars hit super hard all of a sudden?

[Phew]

that is exactly what i am worried about. as i understand it, we will have less overall wpf points as a result of only having 5 wm, thus bringing me below the threshold i need for throwing lances.

"Your proficiency is too low" message overall is a bad idea; why should 1 wpf point ever be the difference between being able to use a weapon and not?

[Grumbs]

Maybe I missed it, but what happens to your existing WPP expenditures? Say you have 120 1h and 100 throwing, but you end up losing wpp; which proficiency loses those points?

If this is handled incorrectly, I could see throwers getting screwed with "your proficiency is too low" message with no recourse.

EDIT-I say no reimbursement of str, but offer my proposed "mini-respecs" in the store ;-) Make those people that have been crutching strength for 2 years with 0 WM at least have to pay some gold to get agi/wm.

They will be doing a WPF wipe when they add the update, says in OP edit1

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

Any agility player worth their salt could already shit on strength players. Especially with the cheesy new 1h FOTM. This is only going to make even more cheeseball dickheads spec into 1h stab spamming shit. Ugh.

Shit, my main may be 34-6 but I couldn't give less of a fuck about these WM changes apart from how it will make agi 1h cheeseballs more prevalent. Personally, I already top 50v50 battles using a long maul with 1 WPF in it, so I'm not worried for myself. WM is for scrubs.

[Algarn]

Is my build fucked ? Will it destroy my splendid str whore ?

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Attribute points:0
Strength:24
Agility:18

One Handed:50
Two Handed:45
Archery:150

Weapon Master:6
Athletics:6
Iron Flesh:1
Power Strike:8
Power Draw:8

nvm, nothing changes. But will free respecs given ?

[MURDERTRON]

Add one damage to the Heavy Lance while you're at it Tydeus.

[HarryCrumb]

Will our WPF be reset as well? What all is being reset exactly?

[WITCHCRAFT]

I am currently 22/21 and going for a high level 24/21 build with 8 power strike, 7 athletics, and 7 shield. With 21 agility and no weapon mastery I will drop from 115 to 83. I would be kinda grumpy if I didn't get to redo my build. Wouldn't be completely screwed over, but if I knew about this change I would not have even started towards this build. Hope I don't have to respec at almost level 33

edit: Hmm if it gives me back 6 strength I should be able to swap to 18/24, which I tried a few gens ago. With a boost to high WM/WPF that might be fun 

would it remove my 7th point in powerstrike when my strength is lowered to 16? I assume it wouldn't let me keep it...

[MURDERTRON]

What's going to happen to me?

I have 130 throwing and 111 polearm.  21/18 6WM.