why onehanders are currently op..

[Prpavi]

All three stabs are equally wrong.

There, fixed it for you

[korppis]

1/10th the length of 2h, half the damage, shield weighs >9000 kg ....

All high-end 1h swords are longer than my 2h.   

[Prpavi]

Also the ammount of shileders atm is not caused so much by 30% higher turn rate or better stab, it's the counter that is missing.

Think about it lance cav is practically non existent so are crushtrough classes. The only thing to counter the shielders (as melee) are kicks and nudges, but people want them nerfed too.

[Tibe]

How dare you buff my class!

[Fartface]

1/10th the length of 2h, half the damage, shield weighs >9000 kg ....

You never have to worry about blocking , your thrust+ speed bonus 2 hits people , Certain 1handers can outrange 2handers. You're way better in big blob fights since you don't have to worry about certain stabs coming from behind enemies or multiple attacks on you not to mention you're way safer from xbowmen archers and throwers.

[Torben]

it should be nerfed by buffing other weapon classes

[rufio]

Here you go: http://forum.melee.org/the-chamber-of-tears/


This. Melee balance is fine, there are only some items that could need a little nerf. All three stabs are equally strong.

Let's be honest, Rufio is just mad because the overall skill level got higher while he got worse at the same time. Now there is nothing left for him besides bitching about 1h. Of course you can't chamber a 1h thrust if you suck at chambering in general. Just block it and stop crying. 

il still whoop your ass erzengel, youre statement is a standard eazy lets whiff away what hes saying statement, it just butthurt qq coz bad, yeye heard it all before, 1handed stab is still broken

[Fartface]

Onehanders aren't OP, certain Onehanders are on the strong side with the stab buff but nothing to awfull and blunt/pierce 1handers are even more balanced. Anybody that complains about nudges/knockdown should realise there are counter mechanics for both.

[Falka]

Maybe you have made a few good points Rufio, but the way you did that makes you QQufio.

[BlueKnight]

it should be nerfed by buffing other weapon classes

Heavyyyyy Laaaance

[San]

From my experience, you could get a weapon stun on a 1h (sword) every time if you hold it right. That sounds reliable to me.

[Micah]

just to give my two cents into the messed up discussion ... i do welcome strong 1h stab for pure 1h , but shielders became to strong with it with the aditional defensive capabilities ... if there is no trade off for shielders related to their versatility and defensive bonus , i find it unfair towards other classes that all have their very strong weaknesses (aka , no ranged cover for unshielded melee classes aswell as ranged as well as weight increase for ranged )  . Considering that new 1h stab  even allows to deal with cav rather easy, due high thrust range, damage and speed besides the already ultra fast and strong swing attacks , i see no weakness anymore, and that seems just wronk ...

edit: the problem is see in the "balance" is, that shields already gives so much advantage alone, and multiplicative more advantage in a group , what no other class can achieve even with good teamwork ...

[Corsair831]

Also the ammount of shileders atm is not caused so much by 30% higher turn rate or better stab, it's the counter that is missing.

Think about it lance cav is practically non existent so are crushtrough classes. The only thing to counter the shielders (as melee) are kicks and nudges, but people want them nerfed too.

i don't understand this, i get easily better kdr's on my 2h alt than on my shielder main, which is 7 levels higher ...

2h is honestly so much easier if you have the slightest clue how to play passive

[Fartface]

i don't understand this, i get easily better kdr's on my 2h alt than on my shielder main, which is 7 levels higher ...

2h is honestly so much easier if you have the slightest clue how to play passive

KDR says nothing , you got higher damage on 2handers so you got a better shot at making the finishing blow.

[Micah]

i don't understand this, i get easily better kdr's on my 2h alt than on my shielder main, which is 7 levels higher ...

2h is honestly so much easier if you have the slightest clue how to play passive

exactly this .. to defeat a shielder / a group (with perhaps other support ) you are deemed to hide and play passive .. until you find a moment for successful backstab or singled out player .... trying to play agressive or active is 90% team death warrant .. for most situations and team compositions