Official Survey about item power

[Glaurung]

Buff throwing!

I used 100wpf and 5 powerthrow all for 2 stupid axes that won't even kill someone if by chance I hit them twice.

[Cosmos_Shielder]

i have a char 134 wpf + 8Power throw and throwing lance don't even kill archer or low level

[ThePoopy]

throwing should get buffed aim and +50% slot for all weps

[marco1391]

The strongest votes by a fair margin (taking into account the amount of opposite votes) are:

Buff thrown (clear winner)
Nerf polearms
Buff 1h
Buff horses
Nerf two handed weapons
Nerf crossbows
Buff armour

fixed
however I suggest to take into consideration also the various opinion and not only the selected options(I know it could be hard given the 22 pages of the topic)
exemple: I don't think horses should get an all around bonus, but eventually a balance with more health/armor and  less manouvrability(and I say this as a cav player, playing with the arabian warhorse is simply insane)

[Kafein]

Throwing seems to be the biggest consensus (12.8% of the total votes and 9.6% for buff)
Then, the second hottest topic is horses (12.2% of votes, 7% for buffing and 5.2% for nerfing)

Next we have 2h, polearms and bows around 11,2% of votes, with a majority of nerfing for the two first and even scores for the latter.

And then the less interesting subjects are 1h, crossbows, armor and finally shields, all under 10% of votes, although tendencies are strong inside these (apart from shields) :

7.1 for buffing 1h against 2.9
6.3 for nerfing xbows against 3.1
5.9 for buffing armor against 2.9
4.4 for buffing shields and 4.2% for nerfing.

Finally, 4.5% consider this mod balanced/don't give a fuck.

[Polobow]

To me, that poll proves that most people just vote whatever they want nerfed / buffed instead of what they really think would benefit the balance of the game. 

Agreed. I actually voted for the balance, asked for buffing throwing and nerfing cav, as a polearm user.

Wait.
Aw crap D: . Why didn't i notice it? . Is it normal that a war horse needs 2/3 stabs from a pike to die? And, well, the throwing should actually be buffed? I see no-one running around with it. Not that i'm saying if few people use it, it is underpowered, but the tradeoffs are too big when you want to go mainly throwing.

[RamsesXXIIX]

Finally, 4.5% consider this mod balanced/don't give a fuck.

I do give a bloody fuck, but i don't want any more "fixes". I find the mod very balanced (Maybe ONLY except throwing), and that is my opinion. I believe the people who voted that option give just as much to balance as the rest.

[Cosmos_Shielder]

I've made a few charts to help people have a better overview of the survey. Moderatormay you put the chart in main page?
visitors can't see pics , please register or login

visitors can't see pics , please register or login

visitors can't see pics , please register or login


And some stats :
Buff-Nerf = 182 out of 2632  so people didn't vote only to nerf or only to buff
Total buff vote=  1407 out of 2632
Total Nerf vote = 1225 out of 2632

Throw = 175 big buff ( more than 150)
One handed = 116 good buff (more than 100)
Armor = 82 middle buff (more than 50)
Horses = 48 Little buff ( more or less equal to 50 )
Shield and bows = 3 and -2 nothing to do
two handed weapon = -40 middle nerf
Crossbow = -89 good nerf
Polearm = -111  good nerf

[Cheap_Shot]

Despite the majority of people not taking this seriously, and doing a "buff what I use, nerf what kills me" vote, there is some actually really useful data here. Especially looking at the handy graphs Cosmos_Shielder put together. That last one is perfect. Even with all the crap voting, some honest data shone through. I think what made it work was giving people the option to vote for both buffs and nerfs, which helped balance the data overall. Really nice to see. I have a thread about throwing balance in the balance section of the forums if any devs decide to act on this data. It would be pretty awesome if some discussion and player input got considered before a decision was made.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,5402.0.html

[Keshian]

Agreed. I actually voted for the balance, asked for buffing throwing and nerfing cav, as a polearm user.

Wait.
Aw crap D: . Why didn't i notice it? . Is it normal that a war horse needs 2/3 stabs from a pike to die? And, well, the throwing should actually be buffed? I see no-one running around with it. Not that i'm saying if few people use it, it is underpowered, but the tradeoffs are too big when you want to go mainly throwing.

Actually I have beens eeing a lot of champion coursers needing 3 stabs froma  pike before dying so they usually get a nother dozen kills even after they run into a wall twice and get their horse stabbed.

[Bulzur]

I'm just amazed at one thing looking at the stats, it's the "buff one handed weapon". 
The fact that we can change our vote, makes me want to change my vote and add a "nerf one handed weapon", so that it gets balanced... i mean, imo, one handed are pretty well balanced already, and in all thoses 22 pages, i didn't saw one argumental post about 1h being useless or whatever...

Or do we just have a big 1h community, who votes for "nerfing 2h/polearms", and since they weren't sure if the vote would pass, they added a "buff 1h" for themselves ?

Thanks Cosmos-Shielder for the graphs, but it really shows some strange things... Horses don't need a buff but a fix (more armor/hp, less speed, maneuver), 2h is pretty fine (it's not the community fault if GOOD players tend to play 2h and polearms -_- if they own you because they know how to feint/block, etc... it's not a reason for a nerf....), polearm need a lower stun, or have it completely removed; and crossbow need some added skillpoints, or some overall "little" nerf.

Armor should indeed be a bit more usefull, but that will actually :
-nerf all cut weapon (low tiers bows till strongbow, swords with no pierce stab, etc...)
-lower the diversity, since if armor is that usefull, then better take the best ratio effectiveness/price one.
I understand people want to live longer, but then :
- it's all the game that will get slower
- backstabbing by surprise will loose it's effectiveness since you won't kill in one overhead
- we'll see less awesome 1v5 plays, since the 1 guy can't 2 hit an ennemy anymore.
- ranged will be even MORE support than now, favoring big damage in one time instead of spamming. (more xbows ! )

And all this will lead to a :
-Nerf Pick.
-Nerf (again) Bec de Corbin
-Nerf all blunt weapon/pierce melee weapon, etc...



I seriously hope devs can take the information this polls gives while also taking it with caution. It's quite funny how some people only care about them, and not the greater good.

[Matey]

i voted nerf armour

also, i think 1h is fine as is... if anything id say lower reach on some of the 1handers...

[Blondin]

I wonder what will be good to nerf/buff to have fair/interesting/tactical battles in Strategus.

We all know that archery was the most in former Strat battles, archery seems to be fine now, but will it still be the most?

[EyeBeat]

i voted nerf armour

also, i think 1h is fine as is... if anything id say lower reach on some of the 1handers...

I also voted nerf armor.  There is something wrong wen I have to use 5+ over head swings to kill a tin can using my MW broad one handed axe.  It is insane.

Now I am even having to 3 hit these tin can crossbowman that can shoot right through my shield. 

[AgentQ]

try kill a tin can with an one hand axe... it's going to take a while