Why oh why are 2h and pole arms still OP?

[Thucydides]

2h and poles are OP because 90% of shielders are fucking noobs that can't manual block. L2P

[BlameMeForTheNoise]

2h and poles are OP because 90% of shielders are fucking noobs that can't manual block. L2P

The essence of that is true. It takes skill to be really good at Polearm/2hand. As well as to play a very good shielder. But obviously if you cant block very well, shielder is the easier class.

So the people complaining that 2-hand/pole is OP are people who just dont play very well. They still get manually blocked and out-skilled by footwork/reach.
If you put the same people in a 2-hand/polearm-class they would be whining that shielders are overpowered...

[Mala]

2h and poles are OP because 90% of shielders are fucking noobs that can't manual block. L2P

So it needs a lot work to be a good shielder but only basic knowledge to be a successful 2h/polearm lad?

[zagibu]

It depends. Being good in duels as 2h takes practice, but you can get easy kills by spamming da shizz.

[Shablagoo]

2h and poles are OP because 90% of shielders are fucking noobs that can't manual block. L2P

Seems like 90% of 2h/poles can't manual block either.   

[chaosegg]

2h and poles are OP because 90% of shielders are fucking noobs that can't manual block. L2P

Yup.
The best I have ever done as a 1h with 3-4 shield skill build using knightly heater/kites was when I only used my shield to counter specific threats,
instead of hiding behind it like a newbie-I-win-button.
I learned to manual block by tossing my shield on my back and pwning using 1h with no shield when there wasn't a threat from ranged, crowds or bonus-to-shield weaponry.
I regularly went 3:1 k/d ratio doing that and tbh Steel Pick with no shield was the only way I ever really  consistently took down people like Goretooth without being a backstabbing, gangbang or ranged bastard.

[Tydeus]

When are people going to realize that people are never going to stop complaining about Two-Handers/Polearms until those builds are unable to get kills? They're complained about because they get the most kills, not because of some imbalance that can be fixed. It's because of the inherent properties of such weapons when used in pubs where you fight an army of disorganized, cloth-wearing, latency-impeded, scrubs that haven't ever even played the tutorial to learn how to manual block(or even dismount their horse for that matter).

[ManOfWar]

Seems like 90% of 2h/poles can't manual block either.   

Haha Truly, Leave em alone, 2h plus polearms are fine dammit

now one handers, we need a buff

[Tzar]

Haha Truly, Leave em alone, 2h plus polearms are fine dammit

now one handers, we need a buff

Agree 1h should have the same dmg and speed as 2h/pole users being able to block all attacks by pressing rmb clicks makes sense....

[ManOfWar]

Agree 1h should have the same dmg and speed as 2h/pole users being able to block all attacks by pressing rmb clicks makes sense....

O hush you!, Thoough, why did shields get a nerf? I dont remember that ever being complained about

[Gorath]

O hush you!, Thoough, why did shields get a nerf? I dont remember that ever being complained about

 
Really?
Granted there's been a lull in it, but pre-patch there was dozens of shield-hating posts/threads daily.  I think you just didn't pay them any attention because you were always too busy going 1h/no shield to notice since it wouldn't have affected you.   

[Corrado_Decimo]

Really?
Granted there's been a lull in it, but pre-patch there was dozens of shield-hating posts/threads daily.  I think you just didn't pay them any attention because you were always too busy going 1h/no shield to notice since it wouldn't have affected you.   

regarding bucklers forcefield, huscarl protecting the sides, lolite spamitar bugged length...

yeah there was many. forcefield still exist even if it's smaller.

but hey! we should leave those shielder advantages or the 2h/polearm whining threads will just saturate the c-rpg website bandwidth.

[Gorath]

forcefield still exist even if it's smaller.

Besides you being a known elitist and avid shield hater (really hater of anything non-2h it seems like) I don't notice a forcefield on certain shields at all anymore.
I use an elite cav or a brown heater shield and they are both nigh worthless with 5-6 shield skill vs any ranged with halfway decent aim as I'm constantly dying from Achilles ankle shots, or very very tip of the helmet headshots.  Of course, I do still notice bucklers blocking arrows really well so.... I dunno, maybe it's just certain shields as I said.

[Rumblood]

Besides you being a known elitist and avid shield hater (really hater of anything non-2h it seems like) I don't notice a forcefield on certain shields at all anymore.
I use an elite cav or a brown heater shield and they are both nigh worthless with 5-6 shield skill vs any ranged with halfway decent aim as I'm constantly dying from Achilles ankle shots, or very very tip of the helmet headshots.  Of course, I do still notice bucklers blocking arrows really well so.... I dunno, maybe it's just certain shields as I said.

I'm an archer and the force field does exist, but properly now. I can tell who has a high shield skill and who doesn't. If they don't, I can shoot them in the ankles. If they do, it scoops up the arrows, which only makes sense because someone who knows how to use a shield also knows how to lower it when an arrow is coming in low (or raise if high). It's not really a forcefield, just there is no animation to show a higher skilled player character making that type of adjustment.

[Mala]

...  Of course, I do still notice bucklers blocking arrows really well so.... I dunno, maybe it's just certain shields as I said.

Yeah, sometimes you have a lucky streak and you can catch multiple incomming arrows, but then another times your block is a bit off-center and fizzzz you are dead.