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Re: QQ
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2013, 07:18:47 pm »
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What a great couple Mlekce and Rufio would make, especially with the blessing of Tears........
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Re: QQ
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2013, 07:26:21 pm »
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First i want to ask you what lvl are you?
Second question is when did you last play on eu1 with 5 ps and NCS?
I want to see picture of ur score on 3 maps that you play as 1h with 5 ps and 5 athl with medium armor and shield with NCS.
Less lenght of shorter swords is not a big thing,they still have enough reach.  86-95 reach is good enough,you don't need to face hug enemies,and you don't put urself in risk of being kicked like you can be if you use warhammer or steel pick.
Short war sword have 34 cut,liuavedao have 34 cut,niuavedao have 35 cut,that is same cut as KAS.
Norplar_BlueKnight used to be 15/21 1h cav with 5 WM, 6ath and 5 PS a lot of shield and 7 riding. Currently I am lvl 26 running in unloomed mail hauberk without gauntlets and helmet. Also I have 7 unused skillpoints of which five I'm probably going to put into riding.

Also which 1her is afraid of being kicked now? I am running around nudging everybody most of the time dying from teamfckrsmates, crossbowmen either mounted or not.

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Also Mlekce if you don't like running around with your heavy shield then press H or whatever is your button for that so you drop your shield and then you are fast as hell.

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Re: QQ
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2013, 07:29:31 pm »
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couldn't disagree more with OP. shielder is the easiest and most overall effective class by a longshot.

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Re: QQ
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2013, 07:30:55 pm »
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Mlekce you sounds like noob that want to be god of battlefield only because you are around for some time

and Niuweidao is awesome weapon
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Re: QQ
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2013, 07:34:10 pm »
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Mlekce you sounds like noob that want to be god of battlefield only because you are around for some time

and Niuweidao is awesome weapon

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Re: QQ
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2013, 07:48:38 pm »
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Even people who don't know to block will always block left swing because it is almost always the swing that 1h first do.
It is not about if they will block it all the time. It is about timing. Use the superior swing to fuck up their timing. Hold your swings or abuse the animation to spam the hell out of your opponents. (yes abusing the animation can be a valid tactic since everyone is doing it nowadays) JokeQ and Grellenort are doing this so far I can see. I am also trying to do from time to time as well.

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Overhead is pretty bad vs agile opponents,but it is good if you have the target that is moving in predictable direction,if target is slow,standing still or if you are in crowd and don't have much space.
If you can't land your overheads, I'm sorry but you need practice. You should not be missing any of your swings in any circumstances.

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Stab is good with broad short sword,side sword,short arming one,but 24 pierce will glance most of the time on armored target.
I don't know if 24 pierce is good enough since I was always more of a fan of thrust swords. But if you are doing it the way you are supposed to do, you should not glance. Never. Try to learn the sweetspots of the animation in case you haven't mastered them yet. I can not say much about this since I never used nordic swords at all. If they are weaker in damage though, you need to compensate it with actively using speed bonus or hit in the head of your opponents. If you don't use thrust attacks at all, you should use a 3 directional sword because you are basically wasting an ability your weapon offers.

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Those are old tips,that does't work anymore,everyone blocks left swing and everyone block overhead. While you try the right swing other people with higher speed weapons will hit you first.
I am not great player i admit that,but i didn't have this problems before this new buff of wm and shorter weapons buff.
With 111 wpf, it is true that you might get spammed if you try to use the right swing. Which is why WM is not an uneffective skill despite many people claim it to be. All in all, you should still be able to execute it when you see your opponent is trying to block. If not, then as I said previously learn to abuse the leftswings to spam the spammers.

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Now i need to be lvl 31 to get me 18/21 build,also going with no if is bad because you get tw a lot on eu2 or in eu1 if you fight in crowd there is always some genius on horse that want to "help" you and then bump you or some archer that thinks shooting in melee is ok.
That is true sadly :|


All in all, you give me the impression that you do not use your class and weapon to it's full potential. You say you can not use half of your attack types (right swing and thrust) and the other ones you using are easily getting blocked. You also seem to completely ignore the part where I mentioned feint combinations, which gave me the impression that you only swing - block - swing -block. Which is a big nono for any kind of melee character. Maybe you can start using a different weapon for a while, something in the range of 85-100 reach swords since they usually have better speed. Because the thing with long 1h swords is, they are slower; which makes them more of a group fighting weapons rather than duelling weapons. Or something like Knightly arming would do good if you want to use a longer weapon with better thrust. I don't like Nordich Champion for this reason, but it's definitely not UP if you use swings a lot, with some thrust usage from time to time.
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Re: QQ
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2013, 08:00:19 pm »
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Part of the problem with playing shielder for most of your time is that you learn bad habits. You can spam 1 attack and catch people out, get into bad positions and still return towards team mates, hold 1 button to block everything. You can spend 1000 hours learning to do something badly, the amount of time spent playing doesn't really matter if you learn the wrong things

Not saying anyone is good or bad, just that shielder makes you learn to play in a cheap/lazy way imo
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Re: QQ
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2013, 08:03:56 pm »
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shields should get a buff imo
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Re: QQ
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2013, 08:06:25 pm »
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shields should get a buff imo
Like decrease weight?
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Re: QQ
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2013, 08:15:21 pm »
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yes or increase forcefield abit
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Re: QQ
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2013, 08:18:18 pm »
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I'm all for decreasing weight. Increasing force field could kill the already-dead board shields or buff 1h cav.
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Re: QQ
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2013, 08:18:27 pm »
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I personally think a lot of the 1h cut weapons need a slight damage buff. They should be balanced around the liuyedao, where that weapon should be on the low damage spectrum instead of the med-high where it is right now. I would recommend a sidearm tbqh, since you can't expect to be good against everything with one weapon. 1h+shield has to sacrifice PS/IF for shield skill and weaker weapons, and lose approximately 1-1.5 athletics for wearing the shield. 1h is the most flexible weapon type, so you can overcome your weaknesses with preparation.

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Re: QQ
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2013, 08:37:24 pm »
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Contrary to what people in this thread want to think, the OP might have more merit to it than what they're willing to grant it. It's not that 1h weapons specifically were changed to be slower, it's that a lot of other melee weapons have received speed buffs over the last year(only a few have been slowed down). So no, you're not slower, but by comparison to other players with different weapons, it very well might be harder to spam them. As QQ threads are always based on perception, this could explain the issue.

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Re: QQ
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2013, 09:40:23 pm »
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Norplar_BlueKnight used to be 15/21 1h cav with 5 WM, 6ath and 5 PS a lot of shield and 7 riding. Currently I am lvl 26 running in unloomed mail hauberk without gauntlets and helmet. Also I have 7 unused skillpoints of which five I'm probably going to put into riding.

Also which 1her is afraid of being kicked now? I am running around nudging everybody most of the time dying from teamfckrsmates, crossbowmen either mounted or not.

Boring story with a message for people who think 1h is weak and 2h op:
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Also Mlekce if you don't like running around with your heavy shield then press H or whatever is your button for that so you drop your shield and then you are fast as hell.

Here is NCS with like lvl 25 or 26 ->Nord_Tordvarg 7 kills
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So if I show you multiple pics of multiple people (including me) going 63/6 with a longsword, it is a valid base to say that the longsword is OP ?

Also by that logic the 0 slot archer's hammer is a good weapon, I topped the scoreboard only using that, several times.

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Re: QQ
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2013, 09:42:23 pm »
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So if I show you multiple pics of multiple people (including me) going 63/6 with a longsword, it is a valid base to say that the longsword is OP ?

Also by that logic the 0 slot archer's hammer is a good weapon, I topped the scoreboard only using that, several times.
I just said this isn't as bad as it was shown and you can fight with anything.
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