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[Mlekce]

You will probably say this is another QQ thread,and you will be partly right,but i need to state some of my problems as 1h shielder.

First i want to say that i am gen 20,and i played as 1h with shield for 10 gens,and i got used to my nordic champion sword.
In the beginning of my shield days i used to roll with 21/15,24/15,18/21 build that had 0 wm and 111wpf in 1h weapons and it was good enough to spam everyone i encountered that are not very,very good at blocking and fighting.
I think they changed something because this builds at lvl 30 with no wm skill are horrible,swings are a lot slower then it used to be,and you are useless.
Now only decent enough build is 18/18,if you want to go with some other build you need to sacrifice IF or sacrifice IF and Wm skill together to get some points to convert into attributes. if you want to wear some medium armor and have a shield,with 6 athl you just can't fight good enough on EU1,you don't have enough speed to fight vs more then one enemy alone because you are retreating (speed penalty),you have a shield,and you have 6 athl and armor.
1h weapons with blunt,pierce dmg are a little bit OP,shorter 1h weapons got a speed and dmg buff,short 2h got buff,but longer 1h swords didn't get a thing. Please look at this stats.

1h weapons

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MW Short Arming Sword
weapon length: 81
weight: 1
difficulty: 7
speed rating: 104
weapon length: 81
thrust damage: 32 pierce
swing damage: 32 cut
slots:

MW Liuyedao
weapon length: 88
weight: 1.2
difficulty: 8
speed rating: 103
weapon length: 88
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 34 cut
slots: 1

MW Side Sword
weapon length: 95
weight: 1.4
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 102
weapon length: 95
thrust damage: 32 pierce
swing damage: 32 cut
slots: 1

2h

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Mw Longsword
weapon length: 106
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 100
weapon length: 106
thrust damage: 25 pierce
swing damage: 40 cut
slots: 2
Secondary Mode

Miaodao
weapon length: 115
weight: 2.7
difficulty: 12
speed rating: 97
weapon length: 115
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 45 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback

MW Heavy Bastard Sword
weapon length: 105
weight: 2
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 101
weapon length: 105
thrust damage: 25 pierce
swing damage: 39 cut
slots: 2
Secondary Mode

MW Nordic champ sword

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weapon length: 102
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 13
speed rating: 98
weapon length: 102
thrust damage: 23 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
slots:

How am I supposed to  counter something that is much more faster,longer and more powerful then me with just 6 athl and 6 ps?
This is just one part of the OP weapons,there are much more like broad short sword,nordic short war sword,dadao,long axe...
I feel like a peasant again,there is too much people with heavy armors,too much people with faster weapons then me,only option i have is to stand in crowd and assist. That is not fun at all.
1h with shield are good if you are higher lvl,but as just lvl 30 with long cutting sword like KAS or NCS it is UP. Can't win vs polearmer,can't win vs good 2h with longsword ,cant win vs spamming short sword 1h.
I don't want to use steel pick,warhammer,or any of this swords,also don't want to be 2h,just want to have fun again with sword i choosed 10 gens ago. 

I had to say this,now you can give me infamy. 

[Kafein]

In the beginning of my shield days i used to roll with 21/15,24/15,18/21 build that had 0 wm and 111wpf in 1h weapons and it was good enough to spam everyone i encountered that are not very,very good at blocking and fighting.

Sounds like an L2P issue on your side. That is, learn to play, unlearn to spam.

1h swords are pretty meh though, that's for sure.

[vipere]

QQ

[Grumbs]

What..ask you clan for some tips

[Ronin]

I'd say you are correct if you look on the stats.

Though the good thing with one handers are, they have 4 swings for 4 different tasks and the protection of a shield. I think you already know this better than me already:

-Left Swing : Probably the fastest swing in the game. If you know how to abuse it you can even actually spam everything but another 1h leftswing user. A very good attack if you use in your combination of feints, to confuse your opponent. Even an arabian cav sword can be faster than a heavy bastard sword if you can exploit from the animation fully.
-Right Swing : The most range for your weapon. Useful to gain range advantage.
-Upwards Swing : The definitely most picky one and hits the head. Due to the animation, it is harder to block for your opponent. Can be powerful if being used in a combination of feints.
-Thrust : The most underestimated attack for 1handers. It can be useful if used in a combination of feints. Also good for piercing down your heavily armored opponents.

Basically you can use different swings or combination of swings against different opponents. If someone has better reach than you, get in close and use leftswing and upswing. If someone has something shorter than you, try to outrange him with rightswings. Also never skip the thrust attack, as it can be very tricky and useful sometimes. Besides, variety is always good to make your feints more difficult to take track of.


Other than that, bastard sword type of weapons are exclusively designed for 1v1 combat. While shielder is more of a teamplay class than it is a 1v1 class. So it is normal that you will have a bit harder time if you are duelling. But it's not like you can not beat them in 1v1, you just have to do a bit better than your opponent. Similarly they will be weaker in group combat, but it's not like they can't be more effective than shielders or other teamcombat classes. It's all comes down to how effective player you are in the end.

I'd use left swing and upswing mostly, thrust from time to time and right swing rarely against them. You can use right swing more of course, but I would try not to use a slow attack against a fast attack opponent. That is of course because I have 85 ping mostly, so I believe right swing can be an option for you if you think you can surprise them.

[jtobiasm]

Learn to chamber.

[Miwiw]

Go with the time. Screw old days.

[Grumbs]

You don't have to manual block and can block multiple directions at once
You have the fastest attacks in the game
You have protection from ranged without having to switch items
Best class for fighting outnumbered or escaping when outnumbered
You naturally hit the head
The swings aren't as short as they seem, especially compared to poles

For all that you have less damage on swings, but you hit the head easiest of all classes

[Mlekce]

I'd say you are correct if you look on the stats.

Though the good thing with one handers are, they have 4 swings for 4 different tasks and the protection of a shield. I think you already know this better than me already:

-Left Swing : Probably the fastest swing in the game. If you know how to abuse it you can even actually spam everything but another 1h leftswing user. A very good attack if you use in your combination of feints, to confuse your opponent. Even an arabian cav sword can be faster than a heavy bastard sword if you can exploit from the animation fully.
-Right Swing : The most range for your weapon. Useful to gain range advantage.
-Upwards Swing : The definitely most picky one and hits the head. Due to the animation, it is harder to block for your opponent. Can be powerful if being used in a combination of feints.
-Thrust : The most underestimated attack for 1handers. It can be useful if used in a combination of feints. Also good for piercing down your heavily armored opponents.

Basically you can use different swings or combination of swings against different opponents. If someone has better reach than you, get in close and use leftswing and upswing. If someone has something shorter than you, try to outrange him with rightswings. Also never skip the thrust attack, as it can be very tricky and useful sometimes. Besides, variety is always good to make your feints more difficult to take track of.


Other than that, bastard sword type of weapons are exclusively designed for 1v1 combat. While shielder is more of a teamplay class than it is a 1v1 class. So it is normal that you will have a bit harder time if you are duelling. But it's not like you can not beat them in 1v1, you just have to do a bit better than your opponent. Similarly they will be weaker in group combat, but it's not like they can't be more effective than shielders or other teamcombat classes. It's all comes down to how effective player you are in the end.

I'd use left swing and upswing mostly, thrust from time to time and right swing rarely against them. You can use right swing more of course, but I would try not to use a slow attack against a fast attack opponent. That is of course because I have 85 ping mostly, so I believe right swing can be an option for you if you think you can surprise them.

Even people who don't know to block will always block left swing because it is almost always the swing that 1h first do.
Overhead is pretty bad vs agile opponents,but it is good if you have the target that is moving in predictable direction,if target is slow,standing still or if you are in crowd and don't have much space.
Those are old tips,that does't work anymore,everyone blocks left swing and everyone block overhead. While you try the right swing other people with higher speed weapons will hit you first. Stab is good with broad short sword,side sword,short arming one,but 24 pierce will glance most of the time on armored target.
I am not great player i admit that,but i didn't have this problems before this new buff of wm and shorter weapons buff.
Now i need to be lvl 31 to get me 18/21 build,also going with no if is bad because you get tw a lot on eu2 or in eu1 if you fight in crowd there is always some genius on horse that want to "help" you and then bump you or some archer that thinks shooting in melee is ok.

[Mlekce]

You don't have to manual block and can block multiple directions at once
You have the fastest attacks in the game
You have protection from ranged without having to switch items
Best class for fighting outnumbered or escaping when outnumbered
You naturally hit the head
The swings aren't as short as they seem, especially compared to poles

For all that you have less damage on swings, but you hit the head easiest of all classes

Hey bro,i am talking about 1h Nordic champion sword and Knightly arming sword,rest of the 1h is fine. 98 speed is not that fast as you think it is.
It sounds awesome,but it isn't. Look how much weapons in 1h class have more speed then it and look how much 2h have more speed then it and polearms too and then think about what i am trying to say.
This is not buff 1h class,it is reality that long 1h cutting swords are now shit. Biggest shit compared to buffed swords.
Als you can't escape with 6 athl and shield. About cover and blocking you are right,but all classes have some thing buffed.

[sF_Guardian]

God...
For me NCS, ACS and KAS are still some of the best 1H.
Try to use the lenght of them, works perfectly fine for me.

[Kafein]

You don't have to manual block

Not having to manual block isn't a selling point for decent players.

You have the fastest attacks in the game

But you can't hiltslash, so this is just complete bullshit. Even though a very small fraction of 1h weapons have higher speed ratings than the fast 2h weapons, those fast 1h weapons suck, hard. They are short and incredibly weak. In other categories, you get speed and you only give up a small amount of damage and length. With 1h, losing those few damage points between 35ish and 30ish really fucks you over because you will start getting random bounces.

You naturally hit the head

Aiming for the head with a 2h or pole isn't that hard. The important bit is that you don't need to do it as much as with 1h because of the higher base damage

The swings aren't as short as they seem, especially compared to poles

Depends on the weapon. Dadaos and long axes are just as misleading.

[Grumbs]

From reading the OP it does look like a general "1 hand & shield is UP" type thread

[BlueKnight]

C'mon I have nordic champ myself and I wouldn't exchange it for anything. It has style and really good speed/length/damage ratio. Miaodao is op and it's obvious and was said long time ago. Longsword didn't need that buff it got but when I hear about nerfing, the picture of heavy lance comes to my mind and imho nerfing is 2 big word for it. It should be reverted to the pre-patch version, so should happen to heavy bastard sword.

All the 1h with great speed and huge stab damage that you mentioned are rather short, which means they are rather meant for players with more agility. Once you get stabbed by archer with his 3 ps with MW 0slot sword you may shit your pants from the damage you have just received... Also those swords are fast so not much weapon profficiency needed.

NCS just loves balanced builds with 5+ PS, 5+WM, 5+Ath and medium armour, then the sword rises and shines above all the other kinds of weaponry. Imho best 1h sword with knightly arming badass and arabian fucking sword on 2nd and 3rd place.

[Mlekce]

C'mon I have nordic champ myself and I wouldn't exchange it for anything. It has style and really good speed/length/damage ratio. Miaodao is op and it's obvious and was said long time ago. Longsword didn't need that buff it got but when I hear about nerfing, the picture of heavy lance comes to my mind and imho nerfing is 2 big word for it. It should be reverted to the pre-patch version, so should happen to heavy bastard sword.

All the 1h with great speed and huge stab damage that you mentioned are rather short, which means they are rather meant for players with more agility. Once you get stabbed by archer with his 3 ps with MW 0slot sword you may shit your pants from the damage you have just received... Also those swords are fast so not much weapon profficiency needed.

NCS just loves balanced builds with 5+ PS, 5+WM, 5+Ath and medium armour, then the sword rises and shines above all the other kinds of weaponry. Imho best 1h sword with knightly arming badass and arabian fucking sword on 2nd and 3rd place.

First i want to ask you what lvl are you?
Second question is when did you last play on eu1 with 5 ps and NCS?
I want to see picture of ur score on 3 maps that you play as 1h with 5 ps and 5 athl with medium armor and shield with NCS.
Less lenght of shorter swords is not a big thing,they still have enough reach.  86-95 reach is good enough,you don't need to face hug enemies,and you don't put urself in risk of being kicked like you can be if you use warhammer or steel pick.
Short war sword have 34 cut,liuavedao have 34 cut,niuavedao have 35 cut,that is same cut as KAS.
Take a look on prices of 1h short swords at market. They are most expensive weapons on market,jackie who plays on EU1 as cassandre with broad short sword had 20:3 K/d score with agi build,he once almoust slayed whole team alone. He killed at least 10 people in one round,good players before he got shot.