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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2013, 09:48:46 pm »
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Blindguy : even more importantly, truth doesn't matter. That some people with more power than you are supposedly greedy is no reason to be a douche yourself (by that I'm not saying you should pay taxes, it's just not a good reason). When I vote, I take it as what it is, with all the imperfect processes that go along with it, same when I pay taxes (or anything else for that matter). Conversely, if you are not a cheating bastard yourself, you have very good reasons not to believe everybody else is a cheating bastard too. Even if you do, assuming politicians will always do what is their personal interest, the point of democracy is that their personal interests coincide as much as possible with what the voters want.

The world is a much more chaotic place than something which is "run for the financial benefit of the aristocracy", precisely because money is worthless. Despite income inequalities being multiplied tenfold, rich people still die of cancer at 50 after 5 divorces. People do not seek money or power just for the sake of it, those are just easy mediums to happiness, at least in the imagination of many (and to some extent they are). Happiness hormones is what we all are after exaclty like all other animals, period. Which also means that as social animals we all want to be friendly, kind, charitable, just, altruist and all those kinds of things as well.

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2013, 09:54:01 pm »
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What's wrong with US invading privacy? You don't have anything to hide, do you? Besides, it's for the children. You don't hate children, do you?
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« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2013, 09:57:50 pm »
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What's wrong with US invading privacy? You don't have anything to hide, do you? Besides, it's for the children. You don't hate children, do you?

YOU ARE AGAINST THE PATRIOT ACT ? SO YOU WANT TO HELP TERRORISTS AND CHILD MOLESTERS ! DEEEERP

Somehow we don't seem to get that specific kind of rethoric flaw that much in EU political speeches.

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2013, 10:55:31 pm »
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As i once said somewhere, electoral democracy depends on its' voters having done their research - which is an utopian vision at best. As a result, you get the "grey mass" of largely stoooooopid people voting in a government they will not hesitate to curse at a month later.

Demarchy FTW.

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2013, 11:17:22 pm »
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And ptx that's very much true in America.  I'd honestly say that 75% of the population doesn't pay attention to current events, the news, or really understand what is happening with their own government (not just the propaganda, but the criticisms of the government as well).

Add to that fact that the people who are informed are bickering with their neighbors about which candidate better represents their social policies (when those politicians are working together for mutual financial benefit), and you have the current state we're in. 

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2013, 01:32:38 am »
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Keep the masses uneducated is the single best tool for people seeking power.

ANd you could say, that that is true with most Western Education schemes. Dumb down the system just to pass.
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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2013, 02:15:11 am »
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Anti-terror measures and administrations by no means exist because it's a safety concern. Looking at the numbers and comparing with actual safety problems, it just isn't. Creating an anti-lightning, anti-alligator or anti-child molester task force with the same budget would make more sense from that point of view.

You think it's a joke, but there's a branch of the US government that has exactly that. Think of any potential accident or discriminatory/negatively viewed behavior  and there's a group of people who's jobs are largely dedicated to battling these things.

That said, this is wrong. Not that they're doing it, because let's face it, if you were in charge, would you not? It's not that 'the government is greedy' or anything like that. It's simpler. You always act in your own (unless you're batshit crazy) self-interest, don't you? What's wrong is that our government got caught. We can't accept this in public. It's fine if it never came out, but once shit like this just keeps coming back to the spotlight, you kind of have to take a stand and say something about it.

It's like this. If I had a crazy serial killer dad who killed off random people I didn't like, I wouldn't care. If I found out he was doing this, I'd get mad and tell him to turn himself in or I'd call the police myself.

That's enough with overblown analogies. Sorry guys.

It's easy to settle back and claim that's inevitable and there's no real freedom, but you are free to change it if you're an American citizen. You just need to make enough friends. Friends who whine a lot.

I guess I lied about the analogies thing, but this last one was less of one. Right?

Really, though. Say something. To anyone. Don't argue, though, unless you've got a Philosophy degree or something. We can't force education on everyone, but we can preach at them until they just believe what we're saying.







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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2013, 02:56:06 am »
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You think it's a joke, but there's a branch of the US government that has exactly that. Think of any potential accident or discriminatory/negatively viewed behavior  and there's a group of people who's jobs are largely dedicated to battling these things.

That said, this is wrong. Not that they're doing it, because let's face it, if you were in charge, would you not? It's not that 'the government is greedy' or anything like that. It's simpler. You always act in your own (unless you're batshit crazy) self-interest, don't you? What's wrong is that our government got caught. We can't accept this in public. It's fine if it never came out, but once shit like this just keeps coming back to the spotlight, you kind of have to take a stand and say something about it.

It's like this. If I had a crazy serial killer dad who killed off random people I didn't like, I wouldn't care. If I found out he was doing this, I'd get mad and tell him to turn himself in or I'd call the police myself.

That's enough with overblown analogies. Sorry guys.

It's easy to settle back and claim that's inevitable and there's no real freedom, but you are free to change it if you're an American citizen. You just need to make enough friends. Friends who whine a lot.

I guess I lied about the analogies thing, but this last one was less of one. Right?

Really, though. Say something. To anyone. Don't argue, though, unless you've got a Philosophy degree or something. We can't force education on everyone, but we can preach at them until they just believe what we're saying.

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2013, 04:06:16 am »
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Bunch of whiners living in the freest, healthiest, least violent period humanity has EVER gone through, in the most priviledged countries, whining about "opression" and "totalitarians". Get a sense of perspective.
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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2013, 05:10:19 am »
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Least violent? The fuck are you smoking?

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« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2013, 05:36:59 am »
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If I had a crazy serial killer dad who killed off random people I didn't like, I wouldn't care. If I found out he was doing this, I'd get mad and tell him to turn himself in or I'd call the police myself.

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2013, 05:44:19 am »
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Least violent? The fuck are you smoking?

Consider that train of thought.

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/07/143285836/war-and-violence-on-the-decline-in-modern-times

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I should clarify:
   
If I had a crazy serial killer dad who killed off random people I didn't like, and there wasn't definitive proof it was happening I wouldn't care- even if I had some suspicion that it was happening.

If I had a crazy serial killer dad who killed off random people I didn't like and I  found out (caught him redhanded or encountered some other definite proof) he was doing this, I'd get mad and tell him to turn himself in or I'd call the police myself.

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« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2013, 05:46:43 am »
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Least violent? The fuck are you smoking?

What the fuck are YOU smoking? Get some sort of knowledge about history please.
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« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2013, 06:02:04 am »
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Consider that train of thought.

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/07/143285836/war-and-violence-on-the-decline-in-modern-times


Great link, pretty much everything I could have said on the subject gets covered in that interview.
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« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2013, 06:15:12 am »
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It all depends on how much time you want to consider. The past few years? Then sure, you're right. The 20th century was incredibly violent right up until its end, so it should be hardly surprising that the 21st is mild in comparison (so far).