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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2013, 06:46:03 am »
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It all depends on how much time you want to consider. The past few years? Then sure, you're right. The 20th century was incredibly violent right up until its end, so it should be hardly surprising that the 21st is mild in comparison (so far).

Not to mention, that, if we ever wanted, we could, at any point and time, effectively destroy our planet in under 2 hours. At no point in human history have we been able to achieve that.

In addition, technology has led to an increase in fighting capabilites of a single soldier, thereby reducing total soldiers needed for battles and reducing death tolls. There's also been an extreme increase in medical technologies and advances in societal structure(slavery for example).

Are we less violent? No, we still have the same urges as we have through out history, but we've put into place, our own safeguards to prevent us from unleshing our truly violent impulses. (Look at the EU v US stuff on this forum. Many years ago, this would have been grounds for aggressive negotiation or expansion, now it's a monetary and influence war that tends away from the violent extremes.)

But, all it takes, is one person, one single person with the will to do it, and the world can burn quicker than we can blink an eye.

Also, we've developed the capability to create bio warfare, if we so wish. The amount of weapons in our arsenal to kill 1 billion people(more than probably most wars killed between 1700-Present) is just a button away.

(I am not agreeing or disagreeing, just stating that never discount the technology that allows the us to say we aren't as violent, from being used to make us the largest mass murders in history.)
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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2013, 07:38:38 am »
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The mindset that we shouldn't bitch and moan because the current times are good is bizarre. They're good because people bitch and moan if the government oversteps its boundaries. If no one says nothing when the government decides to take one freedom after the other, then soon we'll find that we don't live in such a free and oppression free world anymore.
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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2013, 08:29:33 am »
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It's like this. If I had a crazy serial killer dad who killed off random people I didn't like, I wouldn't care. If I found out he was doing this, I'd get mad and tell him to turn himself in or I'd call the police myself.

His answer: Well, I can always make new children.

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2013, 09:17:37 am »
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Nuclear weapons and MAD is pretty much the only reason WW2 didn't immediately continue after the fall of Japan. The Soviets could have invaded all of western europe to the Atlantic and the US couldn't have done shit about it. They are also a huge part of the reason that there has yet to be another total war. So yes, that, along with advances in nutrition, general medical technology, agriculture, biological manipulation, etc are the reasons there is less war, crimes, famine than before. It has nothing to do with people bitching about shit. People have always bitched about shit. Should we suddenly discover an unlimited source of renewable energy and voluntary immortality, people would find a way to bitch about it somehow.
Because people aren't fundamentally different in their approach to life than they have been in the past. There is a saying, along the line of "civilization is just a couple of meals away from barbarity". When people have their basic material needs met, they can afford to worry about high minded concepts like "liberty" and "freedom". Others have a tendency to see things more pragmatically, little things like "where is my next meal going to come from" and "I hope no one I know gets killed today". You know, actual opression and misery. And despite all the high-minded rhetoric, the wealthy, well-fed "philosophers" pontificating about noble words and ethics would just as easily fall into the darwinistic survival of the fittest if the situation demanded it, like a mass famine or an epidemic (which we are more than due for). Or they would die.
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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #64 on: June 12, 2013, 09:18:29 am »
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If I had a crazy serial killer dad who killed off random people I didn't like, and there wasn't definitive proof it was happening I wouldn't care- even if I had some suspicion that it was happening.

If I had a crazy serial killer dad who killed off random people I didn't like and I  found out (caught him redhanded or encountered some other definite proof) he was doing this, I'd get mad and tell him to turn himself in or I'd call the police myself.
Okay... why?

That's some fucked up thinking you got there. You go from not caring to "turn urself in or i call the police." Because of...? Why is there such a huge difference between "no definitive proof but strongly suspect" and "definitive proof"?
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« Reply #65 on: June 12, 2013, 09:43:09 am »
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Okay, so? There is nothing wrong with either trying to further improve the current situation or at least trying to prevent it from getting worse. It's called progress.

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« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2013, 03:04:12 pm »
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Bunch of whiners living in the freest, healthiest, least violent period humanity has EVER gone through

This is true, but one could argue this observation has on average always been true. In which case it doesn't really carry any value, does it ? Did the suffragettes stop because hey there's no more slavery ? Not accurate but I think you catch my drift.


About the second part,

in the most priviledged countries, whining about "opression" and "totalitarians". Get a sense of perspective.

Fair enough, and I entirely agree on this

Nuclear weapons and MAD is pretty much the only reason WW2 didn't immediately continue after the fall of Japan. The Soviets could have invaded all of western europe to the Atlantic and the US couldn't have done shit about it. They are also a huge part of the reason that there has yet to be another total war. So yes, that, along with advances in nutrition, general medical technology, agriculture, biological manipulation, etc are the reasons there is less war, crimes, famine than before. It has nothing to do with people bitching about shit. People have always bitched about shit. Should we suddenly discover an unlimited source of renewable energy and voluntary immortality, people would find a way to bitch about it somehow.
Because people aren't fundamentally different in their approach to life than they have been in the past. There is a saying, along the line of "civilization is just a couple of meals away from barbarity". When people have their basic material needs met, they can afford to worry about high minded concepts like "liberty" and "freedom". Others have a tendency to see things more pragmatically, little things like "where is my next meal going to come from" and "I hope no one I know gets killed today". You know, actual opression and misery. And despite all the high-minded rhetoric, the wealthy, well-fed "philosophers" pontificating about noble words and ethics would just as easily fall into the darwinistic survival of the fittest if the situation demanded it, like a mass famine or an epidemic (which we are more than due for). Or they would die.

Although that doesn't have to prevent us from protecting things that are good, no matter how futile in comparison with something else.

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2013, 03:13:08 pm »
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Nuclear weapons and MAD is pretty much the only reason WW2 didn't immediately continue after the fall of Japan. The Soviets could have invaded all of western europe to the Atlantic and the US couldn't have done shit about it.

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« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2013, 03:19:04 pm »
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I'm quite sure the Internet wouldn't be an american thing if Europe had been completely invaded by the USSR.

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« Reply #69 on: June 12, 2013, 10:22:50 pm »
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btw eric schmidt was at Bilderberg.just sayin....
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« Reply #70 on: June 12, 2013, 11:19:16 pm »
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btw eric schmidt was at Bilderberg.just sayin....

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« Reply #71 on: June 13, 2013, 12:38:17 am »
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ye beer is older than u would expect :)

edit: forreal folks how couldnt u draw the lines between this and the DDR Stasi Methods in relate too the Modern Industrys? and seriously discuss about it.
The Argument of "Terrorisim" or Dr.Evils that could destroy the "Civilization" or the Selfdefence of the society of Psycopaths just doesent count when the usage of the Datas are clearly been used too build up a police state(NWO).
It is like it is always had been with Technology ,it can be used for the good or the bad side of the Medal.
Too prevent any of the arguments i stated above ,this System we currently live in simply isnt made for.Its the opposite actually in my believe.The problems are made of the Society and Humanity by itself.If the very core problems wont change no Prison like Overseer like NSA will do it nore controll it.As the very core problems lie in the society this DDR STASI is by no way acceptabel not even discussabel.
And i tell u ,u would wonder what structurs of Lobbyism turn up when u dig for it!which made up the most issues of humanity these Days.
When u do ur detailed research in a wide spread of Areas of aspects like Moneyflow,Science,Energyindustries,Weaponindustries,Foodindustries,Entertaiment,Journalism(Media),Physics,archeological,Politics etc.
u will come too the conclusion that everything is controlled by a small group of humans relativ too the hole Humanity.We still live in a Feudal system...only difference too the known "History" too today is that the peopel back then knewd their place.The first Revolution was done by Printing Press the 2nd is done by the Internet...
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« Reply #72 on: June 13, 2013, 02:04:51 pm »
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I would suggest you apply the NWO as in New Word Order because even though your blabbering would be uninteresting anyway, reading your sentences is like searching a book in a shuffled library.

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« Reply #73 on: June 13, 2013, 03:56:39 pm »
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Maybe he's just trying to avoid his communications being monitored.
And how!

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« Reply #74 on: June 13, 2013, 04:22:19 pm »
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