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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2013, 06:54:49 pm »
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How can someone possibly say this with a straight face? :|

Well, there is only a tiny problem with his statement, and that is the term "wrong", which is defined by those in power. Otherwise it's pretty okay, IMO.
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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2013, 07:25:28 pm »
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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2013, 07:44:33 pm »
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Right from the NSA's webpage: http://nsa.gov1.info/data/index.html

Your Data: If You Have Nothing to Hide, You Have Nothing to Fear

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2013, 07:55:25 pm »
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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2013, 08:54:05 pm »
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How can someone possibly say this with a straight face? :|

Germans that did nothing wrong had nothing to worry about back in 38' either.

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2013, 04:32:42 pm »
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So uh, how about that Xbox One needing to be connected to the internet to function. And how about the fact that Kinect (you know, that HD camera with a microphone that's so good at tracking movements) also needs to be connected to the Xbox One to function. Oh yeah and also Microsoft was one of the PRISM companies.

Hmmm... Always connected to the internet, Kinect's HD camera working even if you're not even using it, Microsoft working with PRISM.

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2013, 04:37:49 pm »
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So uh, how about that Xbox One needing to be connected to the internet to function. And how about the fact that Kinect (you know, that HD camera with a microphone that's so good at tracking movements) also needs to be connected to the Xbox One to function. Oh yeah and also Microsoft was one of the PRISM companies.

Hmmm... Always connected to the internet, Kinect's HD camera working even if you're not even using it, Microsoft working with PRISM.

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2013, 04:46:29 pm »
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Is it weird that the idea of that turns me on?

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2013, 04:49:56 pm »
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Is it weird that the idea of that turns me on?


Not really

Leshma : is it weird ? I mean, for you ?

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2013, 04:56:57 pm »
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weird  (wîrd)
adj. weird·er, weird·est
1. Of, relating to, or suggestive of the preternatural or supernatural.
2. Of a strikingly odd or unusual character; strange.

Masturbation is quite common and perfectly natural. If they want to watch, I don't mind.

Edit: Have you ever seen Wikipedia article on masturbation?

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2013, 06:12:50 pm »
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I deal with privacy matters professionally and in my eyes it is outrageous.

I understand that the government may wish to protect its citizens against threats. I also understand that certain data may be needed to catch domestic criminals. But the this is - in fact - a lawful set up of "Big Brother is watching you". One step to far. we have to protect our rights to keep our matters to ourselves, otherwise in no time we all will live in North Korea. I remember the tapped phones in old commie times, when wires were set up for political reasons. Is that the direction the - theoretically (cause the practice is long gone in that respect) - most democratic of countries want to take?

The biggest problem is that the international companies are associated with PRISM. Apple. Microsoft. I have an iPhone and I know that I agreed to Apple to store some of my data. But I agreed to Apple, not the the US government. This is why I see it as outrageous. every country may set up the laws as it fits, as long as it does not influence citizens of other countries who have nothing to do with US. It - in fact - may be an act of espionage.

And I do not agree that we should easily accept it as a fact. And in particular I do not agree to Leshma's way of thinking  - If they want to watch, I don't mind, I do nothing wrong. Let me give you an example:

All you know that DNA testing is admissible as the evidence in the curt of law. Hell, without DNA test we couldn't watch CSI:Miami :D But the DNA tests were used to prove the guilty in the case of 100% match. Recently US courts started to accept partial match as the basis for court orders - warrants. And what it means in practice? If ANY of your relative's DNA is the database YOU will be treated as suspect if there is a partial match with the blood ot tissue found on the crime scene.

Do you think that it is that really OK?  It is US for now, but such solutions tend to spread. I am really worried about our future.

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« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2013, 07:50:53 pm »
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It is a democratically elected government head that takes decisions that are not democratically accepted. Not that uncommon.

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2013, 08:51:35 pm »
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1/ Stop this weird belief you have that the people controlling countries are elected politicians.

2/ Stop this weird belief you have that you have any rights

3/ Stop this weird belief you have that the people running your country have any interests at heart except their own.


Im not a conspiracy nut, I am a realist, I am fairly intelligent and I drew conclusions long ago that nothing has been able to change, simply because all evidence points to the reality of what I think:

large countries of the first world (I use first world in its original unsullied meaning: the countries (mostly democratic) that are allied along the NATO axis (2nd world being the soviet alligned factions, and Third World Countries, although now used to describe less economically developed countries, actually means countries and states that refused to align themselves with the NATO world supremecy pack or the Soviet side)) are run for the financial benefit of the aristocracy. The US is a leader in this area, and that they monitor all communications should not surprise anyone. George Orwell wasn't writing fiction, Robert Tressel wasn't writing fiction, they were trying to improve the life of man by showing you all (most) refuse to see: Your being used.

But we are the dominant species on the planet because of greed. So no surprise, the ruling class are the greediest. It's what compells them to rule. They are greedy for power that they can convert into money. To sustain lifestyles they believe will make them happy.

I'm not trying to make you "wake up" or see reality, only you can do that, but to do it requires some truths: money is, essentially, worthless. It has no value. You cannot eat it, you cannot make shelter from it (well you can but its just not practical now is it?), you cannot heal your wounds with it, and it will not grant you immortality. At the end of it all, we all die. That's the ONLY certainty in life: death.

I used to believe that phrase "There are only 2 certainties in life: Death, and Taxes"....but then I stopped paying taxes. Now I have only death ahead. It's scary. But I accept it. No longer does any goverment have control over me: There is NOTHING they can do to stop me from dieing one day, and as such they have no power over me. When challenged by letter and visit from my local goverment as to WHY I no longer payed taxes, I challenged THEM: what can they do? Arrest me, and provide me free food and shelter for a while? Welcome, come, take me. The letters stopped.

The only control anyone has over your life is what you give them. The only right is that one day you will die. Stop pretending we live in a world where right or wrong excist. I feel injustice. I too know rightous indignation. But I don't feel them towards the actions of goverments: Why should I? They are merely looking after their own interests: why shouldn't they? If I relied on you for my way of life to continue, I too would monitor what you were doing, to ensure you dont start taking control of your life and stop supporting mine.

You cannot blame greedy people for being greedy. You also cannot blame people who lie and cheat whole populations for being paranoid.

Grow up people.


EDIT: Erasmas, your living ina dream world if you think that "freedom" and goverment can ever co-exist, the two concepts are essentially the opposite of one another.
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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2013, 09:16:59 pm »
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It is a democratically elected government head that takes decisions that are not democratically accepted. Not that uncommon.

True. It is sad, however, that such decisions are aimed in the very basic principles of democracy and rights attributed to citizens of the democratic country - in this particular case set out in the 3rd and 4th amendments to the US constitution (5th stuck in Guantanamo base, but who cares, it is Cuba anyway). It is sad that such decisions are kept in secret. And it is sad that private corporations agree to participate in such operations.

@BlindGuy - I was a bit sarcastic in case you did not notice. But. It is true that the democracy is an invention that failed in many respects. Still, I would prefer to live in a place where human beings populating such place have something to say. I would prefer to live in a place where you are part of a system which gives you some tools to defend against itself. I would prefer to live in a country that allows you to give voice in all matters relating personally to you.  That's it. I am not naive, thou...
 
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