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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2013, 08:18:58 pm »
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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2013, 10:54:59 am »
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Most people who think it's a serious issue aren't worried about getting in trouble for what they say on the phone.
It's more about giving up rights, privacy, and civil liberties in the name of more security, and the fact that we didn't even have a say in this one. It was implemented years ago.

Also a permanent record of communications could always be used against you even if you did nothing wrong in those records.
For example: If I got arrested and charged for a serious violent crime. They could look at my web records and see that I play, view, search a lot of violent PC/Console games, and use that as an argument to make me look like the guilty suspect in court. There's nothing illegal with playing violent video games, but it would be easy for a prosecution team to use that as a suggestion of violent tendencies irl, even though there is no connection between playing violent video games and going outside and being violent. It's been done before.

The primary issue of prism doesn't bother me though, as much as the fact that they are paving the way to do another "citizens civil liberties for added security" trade, outside of the public eye, in the near future.

That's my 2 cents on the subject.

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2013, 11:45:43 am »
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This is meant to be used primarily against groups of people, not individuals. Purpose of this program is to easily identify possible terrorist threat. That's all fine and dandy in theory, but in reality terrorist is also any person or group of people who is trying to perform violent overthrow of the government.

This brings more safety for anyone, but it also minimize the chance to change things when they go in the wrong direction.

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2013, 12:04:47 pm »
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They were always like this, but they feel it's safer to show their true colours now because they are virtually unstoppable.
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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2013, 12:09:40 pm »
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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2013, 12:15:45 pm »
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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2013, 01:26:15 pm »
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This is meant to be used primarily against groups of people, not individuals. Purpose of this program is to easily identify possible terrorist threat. That's all fine and dandy in theory, but in reality terrorist is also any person or group of people who is trying to perform violent overthrow of the government.

This brings more safety for anyone, but it also minimize the chance to change things when they go in the wrong direction.

Any government will call any destabilization attempt terrorism. It's just a word.

Anti-terror measures and administrations by no means exist because it's a safety concern. Looking at the numbers and comparing with actual safety problems, it just isn't. Creating an anti-lightning, anti-alligator or anti-child molester task force with the same budget would make more sense from that point of view.


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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2013, 04:59:04 pm »
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As for me, I'm not to bothered about it. If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.


Except besides the fact that aggregate data used to sell me stuff is annoying an invasive to me enough this also obstructs the freedom of the press. Journalists have already lost sources because they lose their anonymity and refuse to give up any more information. Just because I might not be doing anything "wrong" per se I still don't want some independent entity with no oversight watching over that and making the call on whether it is or not under ambiguous accusations.

Also, if I'm not doing anything wrong and my activities can be monitored then can we have a look at the ludicrously high number of things classified that the government has done under legal assumptions without waiting months for a FOIA request?
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« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2013, 05:53:40 pm »
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As for me, I'm not to bothered about it. If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.
How can someone possibly say this with a straight face? :|

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Re: US goverment, Invading the internet's privacy? You DECIDE!
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2013, 06:02:24 pm »
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The Patriot Act opened the door for the government to pretty much do whatever they want (i.e. take away freedoms) in the name of safety.  Shortly after 9/11, the NSA was putting networking equipment into every telecom hub in the country.  All digital data is being routed through NSA equipment which analyzes the information for key words and stores the data for later retrieval, or it will set off a trigger which will flag it for human review. 

This is really old news, and it's surprising that people didn't know it was going on.  But I guess better late than never, I was really pissed off when I first found out about it, but this was at least 7 or 8 years ago.  I've already accepted the fact that nothing will change as long as the majority of the country keeps arguing whether the Democrats or Republicans better represent themselves.  When in reality the Democrat and the Republican party are both in cahoots together with the corporate owners of this country.  Until we rally together and fight back for our collective interests, we'll keep getting pushed farther and farther into fascism and authoritarianism. 

One more note, although it is sad to see a lot of people arguing with their neighbors about social issues (which are there to divide the population and keep us fighting each other rather than our true enemies), at least these people are semi-engaged.  I'd say at least half (or more) of the American population just doesn't even care about politics, our government, or current affairs.  They're so wrapped up and busy with their own lives, working 9-5, putting food on the table, taking Johnny to baseball.  That when they get 2 hours out of the day for free time, they're not trying to worry about the greater problems facing our country, they just want to tune out and watch some Survivor or American 'Idle'.  So I really doubt that our circumstances will ever change for the better in this country.

I lied, one more comment...the data is reportedly used to "identify and catch terrorists", but in reality something like 95% of the data is used for identifying and prosecuting domestic criminals (such as drug dealers).  So it's just one more tool used by the government to spy on it's own citizens.  Also did you know, if you're accused of being a terrorist, you lose your right to Habeus Corpus (i.e. the right to face your accusers) you could technically sit in Gitmo the rest of your life based on the government claiming you're a terrorist.  Pretty neat, huh?
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