Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.

[Henry_Broodsonson]

  Yes, technological advancement renders them meaningless.

[Teeth]

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I was talking about his AVATAR.

And yes, as people feel offended when someone posts something relative to YMCA or einstein, I feel the same to that.

Well, fair enough, but the revering of Che Guevara as some kind of hero is pretty damn widespread, deep rooted and accepted, at least in my country. Dozens of people walk around in Che t-shirts and shit. Would be strange to forbid such things here. I personally cannot deny he was an inspiring and impressive figure, but his cold blooded killing puts a big damper on that. Your personal conviction of Che Guevara as some scourge to humanity like Hitler does not really fit with the view of the majority so I think you're gonna have to suck it up and chill out.

There is in International Politics a school called 'realism' that argues that all wide-sweeping ideologies, all great 'dreams' of man of utopian or near-utopian societies (be it far left or right), the only right way, of course are just that, dreams, and that the historical record shows us that these are not only unachievable they are in fact the most dangerous for society. Rationality and a realistic approach to what is actually within our limits, usually through means of compromise has hitherto proved to be the most fruitful, the political realist would argue.

A fellow international politics student? Realism is however a bit of a dead end school in my opinion. Historical record actually does show improvement in the state of humanity, or progress towards a utopian society if you will, which if it was for realism, would have never taken place. Dreams, ideals and wide-sweepings attempts at change have brought a lot of good, not only bad.

The Scandinavian state is in my opinion a beautiful balance between equality and liberty, if you ask me the best society we have seen in history from an ethical and moral point of view. If we had all been realists we'd probably still be ruled by Machiavelli's prince.

[Kafein]

Yes, technological advancement renders them meaningless.

Not always, except if you include advances in social sciences, which are very difficult to measure.

Also I don't think realism is synonimous of immobilism or conservatism.

[Angantyr]

@Darmaster,
Of course a political realist wouldn't be against for example human- and civil rights etc; it's used to look at world matters through many different glasses and then finding the best, plausible solution across the board, fact-finding in Realpolitik instead of ideological rhetoric.

And it is mostly used in international affairs, for example when mediating between two conflicting nations. War is accepted as necessary but it should still be limited. So is self-interest.

[Henry_Broodsonson]

So you arrived there then. Self interest can be completely removed.

[Kafein]

Henry stop being on topic you are becoming boring

[Panos]

The Scandinavian state is in my opinion a beautiful balance between equality and liberty, if you ask me the best society we have seen in history from an ethical and moral point of view. If we had all been realists we'd probably still be ruled by Machiavelli's prince.

cool story indeed.

[Henry_Broodsonson]

Age limits...rite of passage...problem solved...

[Teeth]

Also I don't think realism is synonimous of immobilism or conservatism.

I was drawing realism way outside it's field, continuing on Angantyr's post, but the inherent focus on self interest, disregard of moral considerations and aversion to ideologies would not lead to as much improvements for the state of humanity, if applied to individual decision making. With in my opinion an improvement to the state of humanity being providing a higher quality life.

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cool story indeed.

Anecdotal evidence, the happiness of people in Sweden is incredibly high, therefore a good society.

[Henry_Broodsonson]

Christ, now you've got to revisit development of compassion. I showed you the fucking solution.

[Angantyr]

@Teeth,

It's just a hobby.

I don't personally disagree with either your or Darmaster's arguments (and I don't think/hope many political realists do either), a bit of dreaming isn't bad on the premise you are also at times fully conscious.

[Lannistark]

I don`t like chocolate chip cookies

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Actually, I understand you may find it offensive. I personally don't but I respect other people's opinion. What do you suggest be done, Panos?

[Panos]

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Actually, I understand you may find it offensive. I personally don't but I respect other people's opinion. What do you suggest be done, Panos?

just tell him to remove his avatar

[Henry_Broodsonson]

[Oberyn]

The avatar is from an amazing game called Grim Fandango, and the character it depicts is a parody of Che Guevara. You total fucking moron.
I'm not even going to get into how fucking disgusting, oppressive, racist and dictatorial pre-communist Cuba was. It was basically a vacation island for american mobsters. Che Guevara was a warrior, as violent and fucked up as any other warrior throughout history. You don't seem to like him much because you're an extremist right wing nutbag. Do you even know who Fulgencio Batista was, what his policies were, what he did? Did you think Cuba was some sort of idellic wonderland of peace and harmony before the communists? Do you know ANYTHING at all about Cuba? I find it particularly ironic, since one of the biggest beefs of your insane rightwing parties in Greece is that your leaders are selling out your nation to foreigners. Gee, I wonder how that lines up with Batista. Fucking idiot. I notice you don't mention who the poor, "innocent" people he ruthlessly executed were. May as well call the result of the Nuremberg "trials" ruthless executions.